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The 5900X has claimed 26% improvement for gaming. This is huge. Intel is going to have to start shipping fridges with their next batch of CPUs.

zamalek 6y ago
You joke, but you really can get phase-change cooling[1]. I'm eagerly awaiting the RDNA2 announcement, as I'm really hoping to complete my current build as my first red box (AMD CPU, AMD GPU). [1]: http://www.ldcooling.com/shop/14-phase-change http://www.ldcooling.com/shop/14-phase-change
- toast0 6y ago
  I think it was a reference to Intel's overclocking stunt. https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-28-core-processor-5ghz-motherboard,37213.html https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-28-core-processor-5g... (best reference I could find quickly)
- bserge 6y ago
  Jesus, those prices... yeah they're pretty compact, but if you do it for a desktop, you can do it for 1/2 or even 1/3 of the price by getting a portable air conditioner or a mini fridge (new or used) and modifying it for cooling. Way higher BTU transfer, as well. There were a few of these DIY projects last time I checked, and they worked well. Downsides: big cooling unit right next to you, loud af unless you mod the fan, as well :D
  - pedrocr 6y ago
    Linus Tech Tips did it with an aquarium cooler: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMtvEbD2MQo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMtvEbD2MQo It looks like quite a straightforward setup actually. But a custom water cooling loop is almost surely a better solution.
    - bserge 6y ago
      Interesting idea! Though it seems to me a normal PC water cooler would be cheaper nowadays :D I watched their industrial fan experiment yesterday, that seems even easier... if you could put your PC in a separate room https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EM2G5vLGcQQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EM2G5vLGcQQ
      - pedrocr 6y ago
        I'm planning a new house and one of the ideas for the floor plan is precisely to have a small room just behind the study to put the noisy stuff and just have the peripherals in the living space. And once again LTT has done it by running all the PCs in the home from a single rack (even a single EPYC machine with virtualization) and routing fiber over the house to where the peripherals need to be: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvzeZCZluJ0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvzeZCZluJ0
      - rowanG077 6y ago
        I'd actually worry about erosion with that industrial fan setup.
overcast 6y ago
26% at 1080, which no one buying a $500+ CPU every generation is running. The benefits will be minimal at 2k and 4k, with the same GPU, and a decent processor within the last 5-10 years.
- neogodless 6y ago
  While I agree with the sentiment here... this has been the argument Intel has been using as a "last excuse to buy Intel over AMD" - if you buy a fast enough video card, but play your games at 1080p on a really high refresh rate monitor... the gaming performance was better on Intel. So AMD focuses on it here to say "look, your very last excuse for choosing Intel over AMD is no longer invalid." Of course I do more "non-gaming" than gaming, so it wasn't very important to me in the first place, and I don't spend enough on a graphics card for this to matter. But I want a lot of cores for fast compilation and great multi-tasking with containers and virtual machines.
  - overcast 6y ago
    Yes of course, non gaming, dev and media work, these will be beast. I was just confused on why they were so focused on 1080p gaming performance benefits. Buying a whole new setup if you're running any relatively modern CPU would be a waste of money for gaming. At 1080 you're probably already killing it in framerate, and at 2k+ the benefits just aren't there.
    - read_if_gay_ 6y ago
      Because at 1080p you can actually compare the performance maybe?
    - pepoluan 6y ago
      At 1080p, with a 2080 Ti (AMD's Testing Rig), the GPU is not a bottleneck so any performance difference = CPU performance difference. Going higher than 1080p, GPU starts to become a bottleneck so you're no longer comparing CPU-to-CPU, but (CPU+GPU)-to-(CPU+GPU). Testing game performance at 1080p is a well-known and well-accepted way to compare CPU performance.
theandrewbailey 6y ago
It wouldn't be the first time Intel did that. https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-28-core-cpu-5ghz,37244.html https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-28-core-cpu-5ghz,372... > Unfortunately, it turns out that Intel overclocked the 28-core processor to such an extreme that it required a one-horsepower industrial water chiller.
logicOnly 6y ago
What part of gaming? Loading times are entirely based on hard drive/SSD times. Visual takes the majority of processing and is done on the video card. So what exactly is improved?

zamalek 6y ago

You joke, but you really can get phase-change cooling[1]. I'm eagerly awaiting the RDNA2 announcement, as I'm really hoping to complete my current build as my first red box (AMD CPU, AMD GPU). [1]: http://www.ldcooling.com/shop/14-phase-change http://www.ldcooling.com/shop/14-phase-change

toast0 6y ago
I think it was a reference to Intel's overclocking stunt. https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-28-core-processor-5ghz-motherboard,37213.html https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-28-core-processor-5g... (best reference I could find quickly)
bserge 6y ago
Jesus, those prices... yeah they're pretty compact, but if you do it for a desktop, you can do it for 1/2 or even 1/3 of the price by getting a portable air conditioner or a mini fridge (new or used) and modifying it for cooling. Way higher BTU transfer, as well. There were a few of these DIY projects last time I checked, and they worked well. Downsides: big cooling unit right next to you, loud af unless you mod the fan, as well :D
- pedrocr 6y ago
  Linus Tech Tips did it with an aquarium cooler: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMtvEbD2MQo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMtvEbD2MQo It looks like quite a straightforward setup actually. But a custom water cooling loop is almost surely a better solution.
  - bserge 6y ago
    Interesting idea! Though it seems to me a normal PC water cooler would be cheaper nowadays :D I watched their industrial fan experiment yesterday, that seems even easier... if you could put your PC in a separate room https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EM2G5vLGcQQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EM2G5vLGcQQ
    - pedrocr 6y ago
      I'm planning a new house and one of the ideas for the floor plan is precisely to have a small room just behind the study to put the noisy stuff and just have the peripherals in the living space. And once again LTT has done it by running all the PCs in the home from a single rack (even a single EPYC machine with virtualization) and routing fiber over the house to where the peripherals need to be: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvzeZCZluJ0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvzeZCZluJ0
    - rowanG077 6y ago
      I'd actually worry about erosion with that industrial fan setup.

overcast 6y ago

26% at 1080, which no one buying a $500+ CPU every generation is running. The benefits will be minimal at 2k and 4k, with the same GPU, and a decent processor within the last 5-10 years.

neogodless 6y ago
While I agree with the sentiment here... this has been the argument Intel has been using as a "last excuse to buy Intel over AMD" - if you buy a fast enough video card, but play your games at 1080p on a really high refresh rate monitor... the gaming performance was better on Intel. So AMD focuses on it here to say "look, your very last excuse for choosing Intel over AMD is no longer invalid." Of course I do more "non-gaming" than gaming, so it wasn't very important to me in the first place, and I don't spend enough on a graphics card for this to matter. But I want a lot of cores for fast compilation and great multi-tasking with containers and virtual machines.
- overcast 6y ago
  Yes of course, non gaming, dev and media work, these will be beast. I was just confused on why they were so focused on 1080p gaming performance benefits. Buying a whole new setup if you're running any relatively modern CPU would be a waste of money for gaming. At 1080 you're probably already killing it in framerate, and at 2k+ the benefits just aren't there.
  - read_if_gay_ 6y ago
    Because at 1080p you can actually compare the performance maybe?
  - pepoluan 6y ago
    At 1080p, with a 2080 Ti (AMD's Testing Rig), the GPU is not a bottleneck so any performance difference = CPU performance difference. Going higher than 1080p, GPU starts to become a bottleneck so you're no longer comparing CPU-to-CPU, but (CPU+GPU)-to-(CPU+GPU). Testing game performance at 1080p is a well-known and well-accepted way to compare CPU performance.

theandrewbailey 6y ago

It wouldn't be the first time Intel did that. https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-28-core-cpu-5ghz,37244.html https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-28-core-cpu-5ghz,372... > Unfortunately, it turns out that Intel overclocked the 28-core processor to such an extreme that it required a one-horsepower industrial water chiller.

logicOnly 6y ago

What part of gaming? Loading times are entirely based on hard drive/SSD times. Visual takes the majority of processing and is done on the video card. So what exactly is improved?