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>Oracle, for example, re-implemented Amazon's S3 API so that customers who built software for Amazon's cloud platform could easily switch to Oracle's rival clou

>Oracle, for example, re-implemented Amazon's S3 API so that customers who built software for Amazon's cloud platform could easily switch to Oracle's rival cloud platform. So if Oracle wins here, they will get fuxxed by Amazon?

coldpie 6y ago
Who knows. Does Amazon implement any of Oracle's APIs? This ruling is about to make the software patent mess look like a walk in the park.
- buttersbrian 6y ago
  I would wholly expect Amazon to sue over S3 implementations by Oracle, IBM for SQL, etc. I would want the whole industry to target Oracle. Get their pound of flesh.
  - coldpie 6y ago
    And then Oracle sues Amazon and IBM back for implementing some API or other that they own through one of their billion acquisitions...
  - buttersbrian 6y ago
    Mutually Assured Destruction from the fallout of a terrible decision that forces the SC to re-evaluate (through another case etc) is better than letting something like this settle.
  - tmccrary55 6y ago
    Same but I think the problem is tech people don't buy Oracle products on purpose, suits do that.
    - buttersbrian 6y ago
      That's probably true. Honestly, companies shouldn't be worried about the FANG's, because they will create alliances and largely refrain from suing one another. It's the never-ending, death-by-a-thousand-cuts onslaught from trolls that will murder small/medium outfits. The east texas troll court is going to have a boom like it was 1840s California just to support all the litigation in our near future -- if this passes.
      - dodobirdlord 6y ago
        The East Texas troll court is focused on patent cases, and presumably won’t be the venue of choice for copyright law trolling. I’m sure that venue already exists.
- dragonwriter 6y ago
  > Does Amazon implement any of Oracle's APIs? They reimplement MySQL for Aurora Serverless, but losing Aurora Serverless MySQL probably hurts Amazon less than losing their S3 clone hurts Oracle, and in any case MySQL is GPL and Amazon doesn't redistribute their implementation, so they are probably within the license anyway.
- josefx 6y ago
  If it is anything like the CPU patent mess then they might join forces and just sue anyone else out of existence Intel/AMD OTP.
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treis 6y ago
Amazon release their S3 client libraries under the Apache license. Creating a backend for that client is permitted under the license. So all these S3 clones are fine.
- merb 6y ago
  not really. their client is under the apache license but not the implementation of the server, where the api is defined. to use the client (boto) with a server you need to CLONE the api. even the headers which are named: "x-amz-server-side-encryption-customer-algorithm" I doubt that oracle would need to call that "x-amz-server-side-encryption-customer-algorithm"

coldpie 6y ago

Who knows. Does Amazon implement any of Oracle's APIs? This ruling is about to make the software patent mess look like a walk in the park.

buttersbrian 6y ago
I would wholly expect Amazon to sue over S3 implementations by Oracle, IBM for SQL, etc. I would want the whole industry to target Oracle. Get their pound of flesh.
- coldpie 6y ago
  And then Oracle sues Amazon and IBM back for implementing some API or other that they own through one of their billion acquisitions...
- buttersbrian 6y ago
  Mutually Assured Destruction from the fallout of a terrible decision that forces the SC to re-evaluate (through another case etc) is better than letting something like this settle.
- tmccrary55 6y ago
  Same but I think the problem is tech people don't buy Oracle products on purpose, suits do that.
  - buttersbrian 6y ago
    That's probably true. Honestly, companies shouldn't be worried about the FANG's, because they will create alliances and largely refrain from suing one another. It's the never-ending, death-by-a-thousand-cuts onslaught from trolls that will murder small/medium outfits. The east texas troll court is going to have a boom like it was 1840s California just to support all the litigation in our near future -- if this passes.
    - dodobirdlord 6y ago
      The East Texas troll court is focused on patent cases, and presumably won’t be the venue of choice for copyright law trolling. I’m sure that venue already exists.
dragonwriter 6y ago
> Does Amazon implement any of Oracle's APIs? They reimplement MySQL for Aurora Serverless, but losing Aurora Serverless MySQL probably hurts Amazon less than losing their S3 clone hurts Oracle, and in any case MySQL is GPL and Amazon doesn't redistribute their implementation, so they are probably within the license anyway.
josefx 6y ago
If it is anything like the CPU patent mess then they might join forces and just sue anyone else out of existence Intel/AMD OTP.

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treis 6y ago

Amazon release their S3 client libraries under the Apache license. Creating a backend for that client is permitted under the license. So all these S3 clones are fine.

merb 6y ago
not really. their client is under the apache license but not the implementation of the server, where the api is defined. to use the client (boto) with a server you need to CLONE the api. even the headers which are named: "x-amz-server-side-encryption-customer-algorithm" I doubt that oracle would need to call that "x-amz-server-side-encryption-customer-algorithm"