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It really goes to show Apple Advertising has no basis in reality. "Security" claims are obviously debunked on a weekly basis if you work in tech. "Privacy" cla
by logicOnly 6y ago
It really goes to show Apple Advertising has no basis in reality. "Security" claims are obviously debunked on a weekly basis if you work in tech.
"Privacy" claims are just as nonsensical as we've seen Apple bend to multiple governments (PRISM). You bet Apple will sell your privacy if the deal is good enough.
That being said, I don't think anything can be secure, we must treat everything as potentially compromised and act accordingly. I diversify my emails/bank/HDD/etc... So if one gets hacked, I didn't lose everything. Edit- Also those Superstars may be known, but you bet there are experts that would take the money rather than prestige.
- quelsolaar 6y agoI think that saying that Apple is especially bad at security would be wrong. But apple claiming they are the only ones who can protect users might be going a bit far....
- bredren 6y agoDoes Apple make this claim?
- reaperducer 6y agoNo. The only people who make this claim are Apple critics who put words in Apple's mouth to justify whatever clickbait blog post they're putting out this week to pad their resumes and harvest echo chamber thumbs. But as we know from politics, if you tell a lie enough times it becomes the truth.
- logicOnly 6y ago"I'm a Mac And I'm a P----Error"-Apple ad year 200x And as you mentioned, like politics, you can deny it and fanatics will believe you..
- reaperducer 6y agoApple making fun of BSOD is not what the parent comment posited. Let me recap for you: "the only ones who can protect users"
- kalleboo 6y agoThose ads aired so long ago that they referred to Windows Vista, they hardly seem relevant
- 627467 6y agohttps://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2019/01/apples-hypocritical-defense-data-privacy/581680/ https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2019/01/apple...
- JKCalhoun 6y agoIn the article you linked to, I didn't see Apple claiming they alone can protect user's privacy. I read instead that Apple suggested all companies should strive to protect their user's privacy.
- heavyset_go 6y agohttps://www.cnn.com/2020/09/03/tech/apple-iphone-privacy-ad/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/03/tech/apple-iphone-privacy-ad/...
- JKCalhoun 6y agoNot seeing Apple claiming only they can protect user's privacy. Instead the article quotes Tim Cook trying to pressure the governments t recognize privacy as a fundamental human right.
- heavyset_go 6y ago> Not seeing Apple claiming only they can protect user's privacy You would if you had watched the commercial.
- JKCalhoun 6y agoI watched the video, still didn't seen any claims that only Apple can protect a user's privacy. You must be reading between the lines where I am not.
- logicOnly 6y agoYes, this was their TV Advertising for a decade. I don't watch TV much, but they seemed to have pivoted to the word "privacy"
- quelsolaar 6y agoWell they claim that no one else can run a AppStore on iOS, because if someone else did it it would be a big security vulnerability.
- heavyset_go 6y ago> I think that saying that Apple is especially bad at security would be wrong. iOS vulnerabilities cost less than Android vulnerabilities because there are just so many iOS exploits on the market.
- tomschlick 6y ago> "Privacy" claims are just as nonsensical as we've seen Apple bend to multiple governments (PRISM) From everything I have seen, PRISM wasn't about companies cooperating. It was about literally hardware splicing the fiber lines between FAANG type corp datacenters and taking that info. Google famously was using dark fiber unencrypted and started encrypting that traffic between DCs because of it. It just so happens you split a fiber line into 2 by using a crystal prism...
- lern_too_spel 6y agoNo, that is upstream collection, which is separate from PRISM.
- heavyset_go 6y agoPRISM absolutely was about tech companies sharing data with the government. From the PRISM Wikipedia article[1]: > The documents identified several technology companies as participants in the PRISM program, including Microsoft in 2007, Yahoo! in 2008, Google in 2009, Facebook in 2009, Paltalk in 2009, YouTube in 2010, AOL in 2011, Skype in 2011 and Apple in 2012. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_(surveillance_program)#Media_disclosure_of_PRISM https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_(surveillance_program)#M...
- lern_too_spel 6y agoThe documents don't identity them as "participants." They only say when data from those company was ingested into PRISM, which is simply a data integration program between the NSA and the FBI. The FBI's Data Intercept Technology Unit is clearly labeled in the slides. The government issues a Section 702 order for some account(s) data, the company reviews the request and denies it if the account appears to belong to somebody in the US or an American (both of which cannot have their data requested via a Section 702 order), and then sets up a forward to the FBI. PRISM then geta that data from the FBI and parses it into fields for various NSA databases. Again, this is very clearly drawn out in the system diagram slide that Snowden leaked.
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- evgen 6y agoYou seem to be quite prone to making unfounded hyperbolic pronouncements about Apple in several different threads lately. As the responses show, it might be worth toning down the rhetoric and staying true to proven reality for a while concerning this subject.
- logicOnly 6y agoHyperbolic? Literally both are backed by factual examples. Did you read the article? Some companies are horrible to their customers, is there something wrong about posting literal facts and comparing to marketing lies?
- jjoonathan 6y agoApple is far from perfect, but often in the context of its market peers being much further from perfect. In that context, saying that their considerable security efforts and accomplishments amount to nothing but marketing lies is more than a little uncharitable.