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Because about ten seconds later in the same speech he says he unequivocally condemns white supremacists. But the media (and the democrats in their advertising)

Because about ten seconds later in the same speech he says he unequivocally condemns white supremacists. But the media (and the democrats in their advertising) cuts off that part of the speech, leaving a false impression in people's minds. This alone is evidence that he wasn't calling white supremacists fine people. Further, it was a large protest over a statue with thousands of people over a whole day, do you think there isn't one single non white supremact there protesting to keep it up? There's no evidence that Trump was referring to the tiki torch rally when he said fine people. He made the speech after the large protest and the terrorist attack, where by the law of large numbers there is inevitably going to be non-white supremacists attending to show support merely for the statue/history.

UncleMeat 6y ago
What specific people were both “very fine” and marching with Unite the Right? Trump said “both sides” so there must have been some good people on both sides. But I’ve seen their live-streams. The Unite the Right crowd was loudly and consistently shouting racial slurs and calling for racial violence. A very fine person would walk away upon hearing that. If people honestly supported history they would have asked the historians. The AHA put out a clear statement that taking down statues is not destroying history.
- hnracer 6y ago
  There were lots of people protesting on that day in support of the statue that had nothing to do with the neo-nazis and white supremacists, in exactly the same way that there were lots of people protesting against the statue who were are not affiliated with antifa. Those are the people that Trump was presumably referring to, given that he explicitly said he was not talking about white supremacists (whom he condemned totally in the exact same speech).
  - UncleMeat 6y ago
    I would expect somebody who has "nothing to do with neo-nazis" to say "wow, I've made a huge mistake" and leave the first time they hear somebody they are marching next to shout "gas the k--es, race war now". Who specifically are these hypothetical good people? Unlike you, I do believe that every counterprotestor was associated with antifa. It was an antifascist counterprotest. That is antifa. Support for the Lee statue has never been seriously about history because the supporters of keeping it up never asked historians. I'm serious. UVA is an excellent history program. They could have asked the history faculty to decide. It wouldn't have gone in their favor.
    - hnracer 6y ago
      I would also expect somebody to not march alongside neo-marxists and self-professed communists (antifa) with a history of violent extremism (according to the FBI director Wray) but there you go. > Support for the Lee statue has never been seriously about history This is irrelevant to the question of whether there were non-white supremacists in attendance. What matters as to people's motives is whether people think that it's about history, which many ordinary people do.
      - UncleMeat 6y ago
        Then your conclusion should be that there were no fine people on either side, not that there were. If you truly believe that leftism is as evil as racial genocide then actually stand by that. If ignorance leads you to provide ammunition for people who support racial genocide and you don’t leave once you notice the nazi flags flying at a march you attend... I really don’t know what to say.
        hnracer 6y ago
        I do believe that support for antifa (the violent political extremist group according to the FBI director) and support for communism (prevalent among self-described antifa) is as evil as support for fascism, yes. I am more concerned about communism actually because it has a veneer of respectability that makes it potentially more dangerous than fascism in the current climate, although I do believe that they're both evil. I am not talking about the Orwellian double speak that equates antifa the extremist group, with anti-fascism. It's not my conclusion that there are no fine people on either side, I was simply outlining the absurdity of thinking that there were only fine people on one side, given the visible existence of political extremist groups on both sides that many protesters (on both sides) overlooked when they attended the protests in order to voice their political opinion about what should happen with the statue.
GavinMcG 6y ago
But he doesn't actually condemn neo-Nazis and white supremacists! He makes the offhand comment that they should be condemned, but doesn't shut them down when he knows he has their ear. It's the same with the Proud Boys comment at the debate. He tells them to stand by and stand down, then the next day says he doesn't know who they are. We all know he's lying - and most of all the Proud Boys, who see the wink and the nod behind the denial, which is just to get the lugenpresse off his back.
- hnracer 6y ago
  He didn't even know who the Proud Boys were during the debate. It's even disputable that they're white supremacists, their leader is Hispanic and they proclaim the superiority of western culture not the white race. The next day Trump said something like "I don't know who they are, but I condemn them", you can't get more clear than that but of course this doesn't get coverage in the media. Nevermind the numerous times prior where he has explicitly condemned white supremacy and even designated the KKK as a terrorist organization. It's all ignored in the left wing echo chamber.
  - GavinMcG 6y ago
    It's not ignored – his claim not to know who they are made the news – it's just treated the same as most everything else that Trump says: facile and not based in reality, if not an outright lie.
  - zo1 6y ago
    It doesn't matter what he does or says. If he says nothing - apparently he condones it. If he says something condemning it, they pretend it's not genuine, ignore it and look at the other vague terms he uses as if they're dog-whistles condoning it. This tells me they've pre-decided their stance on him and will push that no matter what he says or does. You can't argue or reason with insanity. What makes it worse is there are a lot of very smart, articulate and well-meaning people that are coming to the defense of such an incoherent point of view. They will verbally and with "facts" stomp down on anything but the most perfect of criticisms, essentially making criticism of any left-wing action next to impossible.

UncleMeat 6y ago

What specific people were both “very fine” and marching with Unite the Right? Trump said “both sides” so there must have been some good people on both sides. But I’ve seen their live-streams. The Unite the Right crowd was loudly and consistently shouting racial slurs and calling for racial violence. A very fine person would walk away upon hearing that. If people honestly supported history they would have asked the historians. The AHA put out a clear statement that taking down statues is not destroying history.

hnracer 6y ago
There were lots of people protesting on that day in support of the statue that had nothing to do with the neo-nazis and white supremacists, in exactly the same way that there were lots of people protesting against the statue who were are not affiliated with antifa. Those are the people that Trump was presumably referring to, given that he explicitly said he was not talking about white supremacists (whom he condemned totally in the exact same speech).
- UncleMeat 6y ago
  I would expect somebody who has "nothing to do with neo-nazis" to say "wow, I've made a huge mistake" and leave the first time they hear somebody they are marching next to shout "gas the k--es, race war now". Who specifically are these hypothetical good people? Unlike you, I do believe that every counterprotestor was associated with antifa. It was an antifascist counterprotest. That is antifa. Support for the Lee statue has never been seriously about history because the supporters of keeping it up never asked historians. I'm serious. UVA is an excellent history program. They could have asked the history faculty to decide. It wouldn't have gone in their favor.
  - hnracer 6y ago
    I would also expect somebody to not march alongside neo-marxists and self-professed communists (antifa) with a history of violent extremism (according to the FBI director Wray) but there you go. > Support for the Lee statue has never been seriously about history This is irrelevant to the question of whether there were non-white supremacists in attendance. What matters as to people's motives is whether people think that it's about history, which many ordinary people do.
    - UncleMeat 6y ago
      Then your conclusion should be that there were no fine people on either side, not that there were. If you truly believe that leftism is as evil as racial genocide then actually stand by that. If ignorance leads you to provide ammunition for people who support racial genocide and you don’t leave once you notice the nazi flags flying at a march you attend... I really don’t know what to say.
      - hnracer 6y ago
        I do believe that support for antifa (the violent political extremist group according to the FBI director) and support for communism (prevalent among self-described antifa) is as evil as support for fascism, yes. I am more concerned about communism actually because it has a veneer of respectability that makes it potentially more dangerous than fascism in the current climate, although I do believe that they're both evil. I am not talking about the Orwellian double speak that equates antifa the extremist group, with anti-fascism. It's not my conclusion that there are no fine people on either side, I was simply outlining the absurdity of thinking that there were only fine people on one side, given the visible existence of political extremist groups on both sides that many protesters (on both sides) overlooked when they attended the protests in order to voice their political opinion about what should happen with the statue.

GavinMcG 6y ago

But he doesn't actually condemn neo-Nazis and white supremacists! He makes the offhand comment that they should be condemned, but doesn't shut them down when he knows he has their ear. It's the same with the Proud Boys comment at the debate. He tells them to stand by and stand down, then the next day says he doesn't know who they are. We all know he's lying - and most of all the Proud Boys, who see the wink and the nod behind the denial, which is just to get the lugenpresse off his back.

hnracer 6y ago
He didn't even know who the Proud Boys were during the debate. It's even disputable that they're white supremacists, their leader is Hispanic and they proclaim the superiority of western culture not the white race. The next day Trump said something like "I don't know who they are, but I condemn them", you can't get more clear than that but of course this doesn't get coverage in the media. Nevermind the numerous times prior where he has explicitly condemned white supremacy and even designated the KKK as a terrorist organization. It's all ignored in the left wing echo chamber.
- GavinMcG 6y ago
  It's not ignored – his claim not to know who they are made the news – it's just treated the same as most everything else that Trump says: facile and not based in reality, if not an outright lie.
- zo1 6y ago
  It doesn't matter what he does or says. If he says nothing - apparently he condones it. If he says something condemning it, they pretend it's not genuine, ignore it and look at the other vague terms he uses as if they're dog-whistles condoning it. This tells me they've pre-decided their stance on him and will push that no matter what he says or does. You can't argue or reason with insanity. What makes it worse is there are a lot of very smart, articulate and well-meaning people that are coming to the defense of such an incoherent point of view. They will verbally and with "facts" stomp down on anything but the most perfect of criticisms, essentially making criticism of any left-wing action next to impossible.