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Your arguments are weak and it’s obvious you’re losing steam here. Having to appeal to complexity when you’ve failed to explain anything complex at all. Americ

Your arguments are weak and it’s obvious you’re losing steam here. Having to appeal to complexity when you’ve failed to explain anything complex at all. Americans publish a ton of top stem stuff what are you on? We dominate high end stem research, especially hard sciences, drug research, advanced medical research. Also number of publications != quality.

tomcat27 6y ago
Number of top peer-reviewed conference publications is the closest reasonable indicator of state of the art. I didn't make this up, the community did. Yeah, let's see some numbers in STEM - stack up the university departments and see the numbers. Obviously I am aware what I don't know and not shy to hide from you. What is funny is you are confident of something you don't know.. and conveniently ignore the statements that require looking at hard numbers.
- nwienert 6y ago
  Ok, beyond close friends who work at the top of a few of these fields telling me it’s not even a question, let’s try a quick google: https://www.scimagojr.com/countryrank.php https://www.scimagojr.com/countryrank.php https://www.natureindex.com/news-blog/top-ten-countries-research-science-twenty-nineteen https://www.natureindex.com/news-blog/top-ten-countries-rese... https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01231-w https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01231-w You are the one that’s confident in something you clearly don’t know and ignoring hard numbers.
  - tomcat27 6y ago
    Those are irrelevant rankings. I am asking for percentages of Americans publishing state of the art in STEM. US ranking at the top does not mean its Americans!! That's whole point of hiring H1B workers.
    - nwienert 6y ago
      Well, feel free to provide the data, you’ve failed to so far. Almost all H1B are working in IT/CS and not publishing, 95%+ of the stats I posted would not be H1B, maybe even more. Only a tiny fraction go into other sciences and even less of those publish. This is well established, the vast majority of H1B are not doing research at all but working at big tech companies and IT mills. Your points don’t stand, not even close.

tomcat27 6y ago

Number of top peer-reviewed conference publications is the closest reasonable indicator of state of the art. I didn't make this up, the community did. Yeah, let's see some numbers in STEM - stack up the university departments and see the numbers. Obviously I am aware what I don't know and not shy to hide from you. What is funny is you are confident of something you don't know.. and conveniently ignore the statements that require looking at hard numbers.

nwienert 6y ago
Ok, beyond close friends who work at the top of a few of these fields telling me it’s not even a question, let’s try a quick google: https://www.scimagojr.com/countryrank.php https://www.scimagojr.com/countryrank.php https://www.natureindex.com/news-blog/top-ten-countries-research-science-twenty-nineteen https://www.natureindex.com/news-blog/top-ten-countries-rese... https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01231-w https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01231-w You are the one that’s confident in something you clearly don’t know and ignoring hard numbers.
- tomcat27 6y ago
  Those are irrelevant rankings. I am asking for percentages of Americans publishing state of the art in STEM. US ranking at the top does not mean its Americans!! That's whole point of hiring H1B workers.
  - nwienert 6y ago
    Well, feel free to provide the data, you’ve failed to so far. Almost all H1B are working in IT/CS and not publishing, 95%+ of the stats I posted would not be H1B, maybe even more. Only a tiny fraction go into other sciences and even less of those publish. This is well established, the vast majority of H1B are not doing research at all but working at big tech companies and IT mills. Your points don’t stand, not even close.