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> It's impossible to "compete"... No one is master of everything. Economies with weaker currencies by no means have upper hand on every trade. Like the example

> It's impossible to "compete"... No one is master of everything. Economies with weaker currencies by no means have upper hand on every trade. Like the example I gave before: corn exports. Economies could be subsidized by regular interventions like how China blocks international companies competition in its local market, devaluating currency to make their products cheaper on global marketplaces. Such a market is far from "free market". Right now for those reasons they are embroiled in a trade war! > First, you are absolutely taking the side of .. I can't help you see fine distinction. > Second, of course the companies say they need it Can you please point me to one source where that says majority STEM students are Americans? Let's just get the percentages and see whether they are high enough for unemployment to so high that needs immediate short-term intervention. I have not come across one respectable peer-reviewed publication that actually argues that position. Are you really saying the companies are discriminating job applications by country against favoring Americans? > Third, let incentives do the work. No they don't! LOL. > Fourth, very very few H1B are contributing to "state of the art" anything, I don't know what you consider state of the art. But take any STEM peer-reviewed research conference or journal and scan through the number of Americans publishing as first author in comparison to others. I know the numbers but since you are not convinced, I suggest you do the homework. -- The current administration is like -- We didn't solve the problem, but let's just move pieces here and there in a broken system to make our voters feel good. We need votes in 3 months.. probably the right time to register illusions in their minds. -- I don't think you fully appreciate the complexity of entanglements in international relations. How they effect science and technology markets.

nwienert 6y ago
Your arguments are weak and it’s obvious you’re losing steam here. Having to appeal to complexity when you’ve failed to explain anything complex at all. Americans publish a ton of top stem stuff what are you on? We dominate high end stem research, especially hard sciences, drug research, advanced medical research. Also number of publications != quality.
- tomcat27 6y ago
  Number of top peer-reviewed conference publications is the closest reasonable indicator of state of the art. I didn't make this up, the community did. Yeah, let's see some numbers in STEM - stack up the university departments and see the numbers. Obviously I am aware what I don't know and not shy to hide from you. What is funny is you are confident of something you don't know.. and conveniently ignore the statements that require looking at hard numbers.
  - nwienert 6y ago
    Ok, beyond close friends who work at the top of a few of these fields telling me it’s not even a question, let’s try a quick google: https://www.scimagojr.com/countryrank.php https://www.scimagojr.com/countryrank.php https://www.natureindex.com/news-blog/top-ten-countries-research-science-twenty-nineteen https://www.natureindex.com/news-blog/top-ten-countries-rese... https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01231-w https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01231-w You are the one that’s confident in something you clearly don’t know and ignoring hard numbers.
    - tomcat27 6y ago
      Those are irrelevant rankings. I am asking for percentages of Americans publishing state of the art in STEM. US ranking at the top does not mean its Americans!! That's whole point of hiring H1B workers.
      - nwienert 6y ago
        Well, feel free to provide the data, you’ve failed to so far. Almost all H1B are working in IT/CS and not publishing, 95%+ of the stats I posted would not be H1B, maybe even more. Only a tiny fraction go into other sciences and even less of those publish. This is well established, the vast majority of H1B are not doing research at all but working at big tech companies and IT mills. Your points don’t stand, not even close.

nwienert 6y ago

Your arguments are weak and it’s obvious you’re losing steam here. Having to appeal to complexity when you’ve failed to explain anything complex at all. Americans publish a ton of top stem stuff what are you on? We dominate high end stem research, especially hard sciences, drug research, advanced medical research. Also number of publications != quality.

tomcat27 6y ago
Number of top peer-reviewed conference publications is the closest reasonable indicator of state of the art. I didn't make this up, the community did. Yeah, let's see some numbers in STEM - stack up the university departments and see the numbers. Obviously I am aware what I don't know and not shy to hide from you. What is funny is you are confident of something you don't know.. and conveniently ignore the statements that require looking at hard numbers.
- nwienert 6y ago
  Ok, beyond close friends who work at the top of a few of these fields telling me it’s not even a question, let’s try a quick google: https://www.scimagojr.com/countryrank.php https://www.scimagojr.com/countryrank.php https://www.natureindex.com/news-blog/top-ten-countries-research-science-twenty-nineteen https://www.natureindex.com/news-blog/top-ten-countries-rese... https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01231-w https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01231-w You are the one that’s confident in something you clearly don’t know and ignoring hard numbers.
  - tomcat27 6y ago
    Those are irrelevant rankings. I am asking for percentages of Americans publishing state of the art in STEM. US ranking at the top does not mean its Americans!! That's whole point of hiring H1B workers.
    - nwienert 6y ago
      Well, feel free to provide the data, you’ve failed to so far. Almost all H1B are working in IT/CS and not publishing, 95%+ of the stats I posted would not be H1B, maybe even more. Only a tiny fraction go into other sciences and even less of those publish. This is well established, the vast majority of H1B are not doing research at all but working at big tech companies and IT mills. Your points don’t stand, not even close.