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The idea we can regulate bad systems into being good is just dumb

jbay808 6y ago
No, it's not. It's pretty much what regulation is for. CFCs: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montreal_Protocol https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montreal_Protocol Asbestos: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asbestos_and_the_law https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asbestos_and_the_law Lead paint: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead-based_paint_in_the_United_States#State_action_against_the_lead_paint_industry https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead-based_paint_in_the_Unit... Leaded gasoline: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetraethyllead#Phaseout_and_ban https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetraethyllead#Phaseout_and_ba...
- AshWolfy 6y ago
  We knew asbestos was bad since the 1890s and it wasnt regulated until 1967, lead was known to be bad since the mid 1800s while lead paint wasnt banned until 1978 and leaded gas wasnt banned until 2000, lead paint and pipes are still plentiful across the US. Cigarettes were known to be harmful since the 1890s, and the government didnt do anything about it until 1964. Regulation can be successful, but at best its slow and incremental, and in the long term corporations will weaken and subvert them. Just having a system which incentivizes good behavior in the first place would be better than trying to regulate bad systems
  - SAI_Peregrinus 6y ago
    Regulations are inherently a system that incentivizes good behavior. That's their entire purpose!
    - AshWolfy 6y ago
      Regulations are an attempt to correct for bad incentives.
brnt 6y ago
The idea that you cant is precisely the defeatist attitude some of your industrial overlords were hoping for.
- AshWolfy 6y ago
  what they really dont want is for us to consider alternative systems
sthnblllII 6y ago
Yea its easy to say that and then you end up with Love Canal and quack doctors injecting people with bleach to cure their cancer. People do things. Laws and morals stop them from doing bad things. Pray your country doesnt have many people no morals.

No, it's not. It's pretty much what regulation is for. CFCs: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montreal_Protocol https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montreal_Protocol Asbestos: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asbestos_and_the_law https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asbestos_and_the_law Lead paint: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead-based_paint_in_the_United_States#State_action_against_the_lead_paint_industry https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead-based_paint_in_the_Unit... Leaded gasoline: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetraethyllead#Phaseout_and_ban https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetraethyllead#Phaseout_and_ba...

AshWolfy 6y ago
We knew asbestos was bad since the 1890s and it wasnt regulated until 1967, lead was known to be bad since the mid 1800s while lead paint wasnt banned until 1978 and leaded gas wasnt banned until 2000, lead paint and pipes are still plentiful across the US. Cigarettes were known to be harmful since the 1890s, and the government didnt do anything about it until 1964. Regulation can be successful, but at best its slow and incremental, and in the long term corporations will weaken and subvert them. Just having a system which incentivizes good behavior in the first place would be better than trying to regulate bad systems
- SAI_Peregrinus 6y ago
  Regulations are inherently a system that incentivizes good behavior. That's their entire purpose!
  - AshWolfy 6y ago
    Regulations are an attempt to correct for bad incentives.

brnt 6y ago

The idea that you cant is precisely the defeatist attitude some of your industrial overlords were hoping for.

AshWolfy 6y ago
what they really dont want is for us to consider alternative systems

sthnblllII 6y ago

Yea its easy to say that and then you end up with Love Canal and quack doctors injecting people with bleach to cure their cancer. People do things. Laws and morals stop them from doing bad things. Pray your country doesnt have many people no morals.