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It is generally bad for societal trust when those who have invested in the system are suddenly uprooted and have their investments destroyed. It is more likely

It is generally bad for societal trust when those who have invested in the system are suddenly uprooted and have their investments destroyed. It is more likely that the next potential cafe owners are thinking, “Why risk opening a cafe if it might be irrationally shut down?”

ardit33 6y ago
you were not in NYC in march, were you? Lots of people just refused to go to work, or do outside things when the death toll started climbing in Italy, to the point it was all over the news. Everyone knew it was a matter of time when it would hit NYC, and when it did, we were blind as there was no testing available to people unless you ended up in the ICU. My soccer team just forfeited their mach, as team members did not feel safe to play while the virus was spreading. This was way before the lockdown in early march, I stoped going to the gym too. People just didn't feel safe, and even if things were open, people would just not go out. Almost, all places were at about 30% capacity. In the long run, they'd still have failed. People just wont/don't like to go out or travel. You can still go in places like Albania, or Turkey, or Greece, who managed the virus/had low levels of it, yet their tourism is not doing well at all as many folks don't like risking it.
- ceilingcorner 6y ago
  That was six months ago. As far as I’m concerned, the leadership in NYC has been completely ineffective and incompetent. The rest of the world is basically moving past the virus, while New York is considering even more restrictions.
  - ardit33 6y ago
    Huh? just last week both Italy and Spain re-instated restrictions, as the cases are flaring up again. Especially, in Madrid. What Europe are you talking about? There are still restrictions in the EU for traveling from outside-EU countries. This is not a usa, or nyc only phenomenon. I hate to say it, but you sound like a Trump troll. Madrid locks back down as European leaders sound alarm on Covid-19 surges Madrid is going back under city-wide lockdown measures after a surge in coronavirus cases in the Spanish capital, in a dramatic move that ... 6 days ago https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/01/europe/madrid-lockdown-coronavirus-europe-intl/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/01/europe/madrid-lockdown-corona...
    - ceilingcorner 6y ago
      > I hate to say it, but you sound like a Trump troll. This sort of comment doesn’t belong here. The point is that Europe has mostly been normal for months now. NYC hasn’t.
      - apexalpha 6y ago
        Dutch person here. We are absolutely not back to normal. In fact many countries including mine are going back to more restrictions because we let them too loose.
    - dang 6y ago
      > Huh? [...] What Europe are you talking about? [...] you sound like a Trump troll. Please don't break the site guidelines like this. We need the oldest users of HN to represent the spirit of the site, not toxify it. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

ardit33 6y ago

you were not in NYC in march, were you? Lots of people just refused to go to work, or do outside things when the death toll started climbing in Italy, to the point it was all over the news. Everyone knew it was a matter of time when it would hit NYC, and when it did, we were blind as there was no testing available to people unless you ended up in the ICU. My soccer team just forfeited their mach, as team members did not feel safe to play while the virus was spreading. This was way before the lockdown in early march, I stoped going to the gym too. People just didn't feel safe, and even if things were open, people would just not go out. Almost, all places were at about 30% capacity. In the long run, they'd still have failed. People just wont/don't like to go out or travel. You can still go in places like Albania, or Turkey, or Greece, who managed the virus/had low levels of it, yet their tourism is not doing well at all as many folks don't like risking it.

ceilingcorner 6y ago
That was six months ago. As far as I’m concerned, the leadership in NYC has been completely ineffective and incompetent. The rest of the world is basically moving past the virus, while New York is considering even more restrictions.
- ardit33 6y ago
  Huh? just last week both Italy and Spain re-instated restrictions, as the cases are flaring up again. Especially, in Madrid. What Europe are you talking about? There are still restrictions in the EU for traveling from outside-EU countries. This is not a usa, or nyc only phenomenon. I hate to say it, but you sound like a Trump troll. Madrid locks back down as European leaders sound alarm on Covid-19 surges Madrid is going back under city-wide lockdown measures after a surge in coronavirus cases in the Spanish capital, in a dramatic move that ... 6 days ago https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/01/europe/madrid-lockdown-coronavirus-europe-intl/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/01/europe/madrid-lockdown-corona...
  - ceilingcorner 6y ago
    > I hate to say it, but you sound like a Trump troll. This sort of comment doesn’t belong here. The point is that Europe has mostly been normal for months now. NYC hasn’t.
    - apexalpha 6y ago
      Dutch person here. We are absolutely not back to normal. In fact many countries including mine are going back to more restrictions because we let them too loose.
  - dang 6y ago
    > Huh? [...] What Europe are you talking about? [...] you sound like a Trump troll. Please don't break the site guidelines like this. We need the oldest users of HN to represent the spirit of the site, not toxify it. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html