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MS could increase their diversity by broadening where they advertise job listings, developing mentorship programs at schools with more diverse populations, or even simply changing the language used in job postings. Building a diverse work force need not (indeed should not) be as simplistic as hiring inferior candidates because they meet some quota. Building a diverse workforce should be about making sure you get the very best people in the job. If the composition of their leadership team is dramatically skewed from the demographics of the general population, how can they argue that they scoured the country and found the very best? The reason the NBA is different is because sports are based on physical abilities. Race, by definition, is a difference in physical traits. It is therefore unsurprising that race has a bearing on diversity in sports. Race has not been shown to have any bearing on one’s ability to do the work MS needs. Why am I even explaining this to you? Can you seriously not understand the difference. FFS.

john_moscow 6y ago
Race is very strongly correlated with culture. And many cultural traits are crucial to doing work that companies need. It's just very hard to measure one's culture and it's very easy to measure their skin color. I don't think forcing companies to be diverse per skin color is a good idea. A much better way could be finding aspiring people from underrepresented populations and removing roadblocks on the way of specific people.
- cjohnson318 6y ago
  > I don't think forcing companies to be diverse per skin color is a good idea. Microsoft is not being forced hire more diverse leadership; this Microsoft's own internal initiative.
  - john_moscow 6y ago
    Someone at the board suggested it, and if anyone else opposed it, they would lose their seat as a racist. That is effectively being forced.
    - cjohnson318 6y ago
      I think the list of board members of major companies that have lost their seat due to real or perceived racism is extremely short, unless you have a long list of them lying about. I seriously doubt a whole board was strong-armed by a single person, and if it was a plurality of board members that suggested this, then that's how boards are intended to work.
      - john_moscow 6y ago
        I think, after the James D'Amore case, anyone with 10% of the wits needed to get to FAANG board learned to shut up and nod. You don't get that high up without playing the political game, and the rules of the game at this point are very clear.
        cjohnson318 6y ago
        So you do not have a long list of board members that have lost their seat due to real or perceived racism. What are these rules of this game, explicitly? And who enforces them?
        mav3rick 6y ago
        Where's the list ? All your points are "assumptions". D'Amore made dubious claims at best and antagonized at least half the company.
    - Hnrobert42 6y ago
      That sounds like speculation not fact. In such a emotionally charge discussion, we are better served by facts.
    - mav3rick 6y ago
      Let me guess - you must be white ?
      - Hnrobert42 6y ago
        I support the rest of your comments in this thread, but this comment seems irrelevant at best. Our position is better served by attacking the argument, not the person.
- Hnrobert42 6y ago
  Who said anything about forcing?

john_moscow 6y ago

Race is very strongly correlated with culture. And many cultural traits are crucial to doing work that companies need. It's just very hard to measure one's culture and it's very easy to measure their skin color. I don't think forcing companies to be diverse per skin color is a good idea. A much better way could be finding aspiring people from underrepresented populations and removing roadblocks on the way of specific people.

cjohnson318 6y ago
> I don't think forcing companies to be diverse per skin color is a good idea. Microsoft is not being forced hire more diverse leadership; this Microsoft's own internal initiative.
- john_moscow 6y ago
  Someone at the board suggested it, and if anyone else opposed it, they would lose their seat as a racist. That is effectively being forced.
  - cjohnson318 6y ago
    I think the list of board members of major companies that have lost their seat due to real or perceived racism is extremely short, unless you have a long list of them lying about. I seriously doubt a whole board was strong-armed by a single person, and if it was a plurality of board members that suggested this, then that's how boards are intended to work.
    - john_moscow 6y ago
      I think, after the James D'Amore case, anyone with 10% of the wits needed to get to FAANG board learned to shut up and nod. You don't get that high up without playing the political game, and the rules of the game at this point are very clear.
      - cjohnson318 6y ago
        So you do not have a long list of board members that have lost their seat due to real or perceived racism. What are these rules of this game, explicitly? And who enforces them?
      - mav3rick 6y ago
        Where's the list ? All your points are "assumptions". D'Amore made dubious claims at best and antagonized at least half the company.
  - Hnrobert42 6y ago
    That sounds like speculation not fact. In such a emotionally charge discussion, we are better served by facts.
  - mav3rick 6y ago
    Let me guess - you must be white ?
    - Hnrobert42 6y ago
      I support the rest of your comments in this thread, but this comment seems irrelevant at best. Our position is better served by attacking the argument, not the person.
Hnrobert42 6y ago
Who said anything about forcing?