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Sounds like Trump got a similar cocktail from a different company. The speed of his recovery and the fact that him having Coronavirus isn't even part of the new
by war1025 6y ago
Sounds like Trump got a similar cocktail from a different company. The speed of his recovery and the fact that him having Coronavirus isn't even part of the news cycle anymore seems like a strong indicator that the treatment is probably a game changer.
- satya71 6y agoOnly problem, I suspect, is it's super expensive and hard to produce in the large amounts required. So not as much of a game changer as we'd like. Still should save a few lives.
- war1025 6y agoTrump released a statement a few hours ago that they have hundreds of thousands of doses available and he's going to push to make it free to patients. Obviously, it's still unclear how the politics of all of it play out, but seems more promising than most things we've seen so far.
- ethbr0 6y ago> it's super expensive and hard to produce in the large amounts required It's hard, but less hard than some things. And we've been working on them for the last ~35 years. Here's a primer if you're curious: https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/04/27/monoclonal-antibodies-for-the-coronavirus https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/04/27/mo...
- gameswithgo 6y agoI am lucky enough to have solid insurance provided by work and I had to fight hard to get a monoclonal antibody covered. One that was actually approved by the FDA. The cost if you can't get insurance to cover it is ~$3,000 per dose.
- ethbr0 6y agoThe price, as with all things in American medicine, is what they think the market will bear. They're not trivial to make, but it's an understood process. That said, there's been a lot of research and money to get us to where we are today. So how to value that? I've no idea.
- MyelinatedT 6y agoTrump might still go south... It's hard to tell what's true on that front, and it's still early days. Still looks promising though.
- musicale 6y agoI assume that from Trump's perspective going south would not be a promising outcome.
- gameswithgo 6y agoA single person's progression with covid tells us absolutely nothing about the efficacy of the drugs he took.
- war1025 6y agoWell, it might not, but the article is about Eli Lilly saying their studies say the drug is effective, and the anecdotal evidence that Trump took it and recovered very quickly seems to add credence to that claim. People love to hate on anecdotes, but they have their place.
- crumpled 6y agoBut, he didn't take it. so there's not even an anecdote here.
- atlasunshrugged 6y agoDidn't he specifically take the version from Regeneron, not Eli Lilly?
- musicale 6y agoA single data point, even a somewhat uncertain one, is still a data point.
- sgift 6y agoOkay, here is the data point: If you get treated by some of the best doctors your country has to offer in an absolute state of the art facility in record time (i.e. almost no delay between outbreak of covid and detection) the given drug cocktail was effective (if we assume they don't lie about Trumps health. In the footage on his return to the white house he didn't look healthy at all). I'd argue that this certainly is a data point. Just not a very useful one.
- gameswithgo 6y agoThis is a tautology, and in no way addresses the point that absolutely nothing is learned about the efficacy of one of the drugs he took, by looking at a single data point.
- coding123 6y agoI don't understand how one person treated with something, just because they recovered, makes this a game changer. I also don't get why it would take "curing" the president to know of a specific cocktail that works. I kinda am losing all faith in all things medicine if we've had experience, as a whole, to try to treat 36 MILLION people with this issue and one specific treatment for one specific person, who happens to survive like 35 MILLION others so far. And THATS the winning combo, And it happens to be our president. It's like the other 35 MILLION was just junk data or something.
- war1025 6y agoThe relevance is that the President got wall to wall media coverage for being sick. And his is in a demographic (old, overweight, male) that puts him at an extremely elevated risk for serious illness. Doctors will do their job and scientists will do their job, and in the end decisions will be made based on the results of studies. That doesn't negate the enormous amount of positive press that this event will give to the treatment. Either way, it should be a signal that we are getting much better at treating the illness. Back in April, Boris Johnson, who is basically a Trump equivalent, but 20 years younger, spent a week in the hospital in very rough shape. The news on Cornavirus is in trending significantly in the positive direction, which is really all that matters.
- sk5t 6y ago> The news on Cornavirus is in trending significantly in the positive direction Positive in terms of increasing case numbers, yes.
- war1025 6y ago> Positive in terms of increasing case numbers, yes. As the number of people I know who have caught it grows, I have to say I don't really see that as a negative thing. Most of the new cases are in the young-adult demographic. Almost universally they suffer no long term complications and the most unpleasant part of the sickness is being confined to their home for a week and a half. Number of confirmed cases is the wrong metric. We know very well by now who is at elevated risk. If you are not in the elevated risk category, and you are able to avoid those who are at elevated risk, then there is very little for you to worry about.
- tathougies 6y agoTrump's illness is still the most likely outcome for anyone with covid. The biggest difference is that the man is tested everyday.
- analog31 6y agoPerhaps one useful outcome of that experiment is that testing alone doesn't prevent a workplace from becoming a super spreader site.
- lehi 6y agohttps://i.imgur.com/MhtMWzi.gif https://i.imgur.com/MhtMWzi.gif
- segmondy 6y agoYup, which lead to early treatment. Most people start treatment when the illness has progressed far. Hospitals generally withhold treatment to see if patients will recover by themselves because they can't risk "waste" of medicine and filling up hospital beds. So most people are sent home unless it's really bad. Trump started getting treatment from the very moment he tested positive.
- avs733 6y agorelying on a PR team for data (who has a perfectly reasonable national security reason for lying about that data) and then using a single point of data to make claims is just so antiscience I can't even.
- pengaru 6y agoIt could just as well be a strong indicator that his initial viral exposure was small, and/or that being detected early, treated quickly and exceptionally well by a dedicated team matters.
- madengr 6y agoDid he stop taking HCQ? I know me media demonized that despite a 60 year safety record.
- tankist 6y agoDetail info about his treatment been discussed by TViW https://pca.st/episode/015f8d9c-7c9b-443a-a7eb-3bdf06e9602d https://pca.st/episode/015f8d9c-7c9b-443a-a7eb-3bdf06e9602d
- bronco21016 6y agoWhy are we assuming he’s out of the woods and “cured”? All of the medical experts seem to indicate that 7-10 days is when the real complications begin. The earliest we know him to be infected is Wednesday of last week. He’s just coming up on the 7 day threshold. Let’s at least wait through the weekend before we declare him “cured”.
- dTal 6y agoExactly. I'm shocked at how many people are taking Trump's "recovery" at face value.
- rsynnott 6y agoI... think that would be an _extremely_ premature assumption.