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I think the better question is, when does being able to think and do math quickly in a new language disappear? Lots of theories in this thread, but pretty much
by russellbeattie 6y ago
I think the better question is, when does being able to think and do math quickly in a new language disappear?
Lots of theories in this thread, but pretty much everyone has a mother tongue in which they think and count. There might be tons of outliers, I'm sure, but for the vast majority of multilingual speakers, your native language is the one you go back to in your head when you're trying to calculate the tip or count pennies. Yes, as odd as it seems, we use language when doing math.
Are you multilingual? Have someone give you a basic math problem verbally, and then give them the answer. Which language did you use? Most everyone will switch to their native language, and then switch back.
So again, when does this ability disappear?
I moved to Spain when I was 30yo and learned how to live and work in Spanish, but I'll never be truly fluent. English just is how my mind works, and Spanish is really just a bunch of synonyms in my brain. It's all in one giant bucket, and just like I don't swear in front of small children and use simpler versions of words to talk to them, and use strict noun-verb-object sentences (with no phrasal verbs!!) when speaking "international English" to someone for whom English is a second language, I speak Spanish words in a certain order for Spanish speakers. This is not how truly multilingual people think.
What also is interesting is how growing up in a multilingual environment changes how fast you can context switch. Someone who grew up in say rural France and had no exposure to English, might learn it amazingly well, but if they're in mixed company, you can watch their heads explode trying to swap languages. I love the blank stare they'll give you as they change brains, recall what you just said, and then are able to respond. Then of course you have the Spanglish teens of LA who don't even notice they're mixing languages in the same sentence.
I think all this is to say, it's a tad more complicated than just "when" and "if".
- musicale 6y ago> when does being able to think and do math quickly in a new language disappear A few minutes after the final exam, usually.
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- arc-in-space 6y agoPhrasal verbs, huh. I never thought about it but I suppose English does have a gazillion of those nano-idioms. Turn up, turn down, turn on, turn off, turn to, turn in, turn out. I think I subconsciously avoid them as well when talking to someone with a limited grasp of the language•. Regarding math, I'm a English non-native and learning to 'think math' in English was something that I, at some point, simply decided to start putting an effort into, as if it was more of a separate skill. I'm not sure if it's the best indicator, but I definitely did stick with my native language for math for a while, although only for simple counting and arithmetic. I've experienced the language switch brainhalt myself, it's pretty funny. For a moment it feels like someone spoke alien to me. [•] modulating language to make it go down through google translate smoother is something that I've noticed myself and some others do on the English-Japanese barrier, from both sides. P.S. Hey sweet, clever.io paused the timer while I was busy typing all this out. Neat!
- russellbeattie 6y agoHey there! Thanks for that insight!!! Adjusting our written language in order to compensate for automated translation is a really interesting emergent behavior! Not too different from SMS-speak working it's way into every day communication like OMG or LOL. And thanks for checking out Clever! I hope you enjoy it! After a few years, I'm still only about half way through.