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This is a very odd argument in the USA context. People showed self determination by emigrating from poverty and lack of economic opportunity in Europe – they di

This is a very odd argument in the USA context. People showed self determination by emigrating from poverty and lack of economic opportunity in Europe – they didn't stay "…doing the hard work to build viable economies." Now the US people are denying other people the same opportunities their not-to-distant grandparents had. I guess it's an insiders market. I find your concept of US "owing" anyone anything strange. Depending on your political opinions you might think that humans "owe" each other equal opportunity.

mc32 6y ago
The leftist motto was “Self determination of Nations”. The US was supposedly corrupt and capitalistic and the people’s of the world should avoid our model. We’ve let more people in than any other country (including other countries that started out as colonies, like Argentina, Brazil, Mexico) We have a right to regulate who we think will contribute and be a good citizen. We now want to exercise our self determination as a nation like everyone else does.
- ctvo 6y ago
  You managed to toss out more strawmen while not addressing the content of what you're replying to. Can you answer why it's OK for earlier generations of (now) Americans to leave their origins in search of a better life, but modern immigrants should stay and fix these issues instead? Your views are fascinating.
  - mc32 6y ago
    It seems you’re arguing for “consistency”. That doesn’t make sense. In that view if only colonialists had been allowed the US policy would be consistent because it never let immigrants in (noting that as a colonizer you’d be a subject of the crown which in name ruled whatever lands they had dominion over). They said, a nation with self determination can decide what it wants according to its laws. It’s that simple.

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This is a very odd argument in the USA context. People showed self determination by emigrating from poverty and lack of economic opportunity in Europe – they di

by ocommentator 6y ago

mc32 6y ago
The leftist motto was “Self determination of Nations”. The US was supposedly corrupt and capitalistic and the people’s of the world should avoid our model. We’ve let more people in than any other country (including other countries that started out as colonies, like Argentina, Brazil, Mexico) We have a right to regulate who we think will contribute and be a good citizen. We now want to exercise our self determination as a nation like everyone else does.
- ctvo 6y ago
  You managed to toss out more strawmen while not addressing the content of what you're replying to. Can you answer why it's OK for earlier generations of (now) Americans to leave their origins in search of a better life, but modern immigrants should stay and fix these issues instead? Your views are fascinating.
  - mc32 6y ago
    It seems you’re arguing for “consistency”. That doesn’t make sense. In that view if only colonialists had been allowed the US policy would be consistent because it never let immigrants in (noting that as a colonizer you’d be a subject of the crown which in name ruled whatever lands they had dominion over). They said, a nation with self determination can decide what it wants according to its laws. It’s that simple.