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Violent treasonous political cults do not currently constitute a protected class, oddly enough.

ThrowawayR2 6y ago
You missed the point entirely. A bad guy was nailed this time, great. But he wasn't kicked out because he was a bad guy, he was kicked out because he was a liability to the corporation. The mechanisms for outing and booting out this guy works just as well against people you support, like union organizers or whistleblowers or even simply those whose politics doesn't line up with the interests of the business. The sword doesn't care who wields it or who it cuts.
- iron0013 6y ago
  Union organizers and whistleblowers should and in many cases already do have protections specifically encoded into law. Far-out political cults that routinely slander and threaten violence against their opponents do not serve a particular purpose in the workplace and thus have no similar protections. This guy’s employer correctly pegged him as an embarrassment that had the potential to harm their bottom line and showed him the door. That’s how the labor market under capitalism works.
- gamblor956 6y ago
  The mechanisms for outing and booting out this guy works just as well against people you support, like union organizers or whistleblowers or even simply those whose politics doesn't line up with the interests of the business. Union organizers and whistleblowers have specific legal protections because they are deemed not to be engaged in political activities but in legal activities (like organizing a union or revealing fraud or criminal activity). Businesses are otherwise mostly free to terminate workers over their political beliefs unless the business operates in a state which includes political affiliation as a protected class (like California, but notably not New York or New Jersey).
- NotSammyHagar 6y ago
  There are people with specific legal protections. Amazon and Google would seem to be in jeopardy potentially for firing union organizers. Because so many Republicans and/or businesses support right to work laws (firing for any or no reason) this is a consequence. Since that guy became a Repub., it's reasonable to assume he supported that and never thought it would impact him in that way. So think about that everyone who thinks unions and work rules have no point.
- shadowgovt 6y ago
  Indeed, but we've addressed that by making it illegal to fire an employee for union organizing or whistleblowing, not by breaking the sword. In the general case, the societal value of having this sword around is recgonized.
  - kls 6y ago
    To be clear I was not advocation for the removal of the banks right to remove him and certainly not arguing for the government to have the ability to step in. Just highlighting that I personally believe it is a bad path we are trudging along.
kls 6y ago
I am not inferring that their politics or cult like leanings are acceptable, but if he is not bringing it into the workplace then I find the practice reprehensible. At one time this was done to people of other belief systems / political leanings (communist in the US as an example). At some point in the future a different social contract will exist and items like this set a precedents for the same to be done to them. I am against it no matter what their belief system is.
- iron0013 6y ago
  You absolutely still can be fired in the United States for publicly identifying as a communist. Hell, you can be fired for merely demonstrating against police brutality.
  - tssva 6y ago
    In most of the United States you can be fired for absolutely no reason whatsoever except the boss wants to.
    - iron0013 6y ago
      Yup
    - shadowgovt 6y ago
      There are protected classes of worker, but the burden to prove the firing was due to protected reasons is on the worker.
  - kls 6y ago
    I am in no way arguing that you cannot, just making the observation that social contracts change and a secondary and personal point that I find the practice detestable. I do not want someone to loose their livelihood because I disagree with them on their personal ideology and I certainly don't want to loose employment because someone disagrees with me on my personal belief system. The US communist witch-hunt is a great example because McCarthyism led to a good number of people who where not communist but where still undesirable to the current (at the time) social contract, being blacklisted by just throwing a communist label on them, which resulted in their lives and livelihood being destroyed.

You missed the point entirely. A bad guy was nailed this time, great. But he wasn't kicked out because he was a bad guy, he was kicked out because he was a liability to the corporation. The mechanisms for outing and booting out this guy works just as well against people you support, like union organizers or whistleblowers or even simply those whose politics doesn't line up with the interests of the business. The sword doesn't care who wields it or who it cuts.

iron0013 6y ago
Union organizers and whistleblowers should and in many cases already do have protections specifically encoded into law. Far-out political cults that routinely slander and threaten violence against their opponents do not serve a particular purpose in the workplace and thus have no similar protections. This guy’s employer correctly pegged him as an embarrassment that had the potential to harm their bottom line and showed him the door. That’s how the labor market under capitalism works.
gamblor956 6y ago
The mechanisms for outing and booting out this guy works just as well against people you support, like union organizers or whistleblowers or even simply those whose politics doesn't line up with the interests of the business. Union organizers and whistleblowers have specific legal protections because they are deemed not to be engaged in political activities but in legal activities (like organizing a union or revealing fraud or criminal activity). Businesses are otherwise mostly free to terminate workers over their political beliefs unless the business operates in a state which includes political affiliation as a protected class (like California, but notably not New York or New Jersey).
NotSammyHagar 6y ago
There are people with specific legal protections. Amazon and Google would seem to be in jeopardy potentially for firing union organizers. Because so many Republicans and/or businesses support right to work laws (firing for any or no reason) this is a consequence. Since that guy became a Repub., it's reasonable to assume he supported that and never thought it would impact him in that way. So think about that everyone who thinks unions and work rules have no point.
shadowgovt 6y ago
Indeed, but we've addressed that by making it illegal to fire an employee for union organizing or whistleblowing, not by breaking the sword. In the general case, the societal value of having this sword around is recgonized.
- kls 6y ago
  To be clear I was not advocation for the removal of the banks right to remove him and certainly not arguing for the government to have the ability to step in. Just highlighting that I personally believe it is a bad path we are trudging along.

kls 6y ago

I am not inferring that their politics or cult like leanings are acceptable, but if he is not bringing it into the workplace then I find the practice reprehensible. At one time this was done to people of other belief systems / political leanings (communist in the US as an example). At some point in the future a different social contract will exist and items like this set a precedents for the same to be done to them. I am against it no matter what their belief system is.

iron0013 6y ago
You absolutely still can be fired in the United States for publicly identifying as a communist. Hell, you can be fired for merely demonstrating against police brutality.
- tssva 6y ago
  In most of the United States you can be fired for absolutely no reason whatsoever except the boss wants to.
  - iron0013 6y ago
    Yup
  - shadowgovt 6y ago
    There are protected classes of worker, but the burden to prove the firing was due to protected reasons is on the worker.
- kls 6y ago
  I am in no way arguing that you cannot, just making the observation that social contracts change and a secondary and personal point that I find the practice detestable. I do not want someone to loose their livelihood because I disagree with them on their personal ideology and I certainly don't want to loose employment because someone disagrees with me on my personal belief system. The US communist witch-hunt is a great example because McCarthyism led to a good number of people who where not communist but where still undesirable to the current (at the time) social contract, being blacklisted by just throwing a communist label on them, which resulted in their lives and livelihood being destroyed.