> Or you go to their manager From the managers manager perspective its too much work to oversee people at 2 levels. If the manager gets the job done, that idle

> Or you go to their manager From the managers manager perspective its too much work to oversee people at 2 levels. If the manager gets the job done, that idle for him/her. In my experience HR department always sides with the most people who have most power. This is not surprising, they don't have any direct contribution and have much less power.