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10GBASE-T has a different story to USB3. 10GBASE-T consumes too much power (2-5 Watts!) and generates too much heat for a single port (a transceiver can go up

10GBASE-T has a different story to USB3. 10GBASE-T consumes too much power (2-5 Watts!) and generates too much heat for a single port (a transceiver can go up to 90 celsius!) , so it is not suitable for most of areas, including for home NICs (requires spaces for big coolers) and for enterprise switches (ports cannot be densely placed [1]). But I haven't heard of reliability concerns that USB3 has. Well, they are designed to work up to 100 meters so they should be reliable. Maybe it's all because of the transformers you mentioned? Therefore it's very common to use alternatives like optics and simple DAC copper cables for 10Gbe. I also think home networking industry will eventually give up 10GBASE-T. [1] https://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/S%2BRJ10_general_guidance#General_Guidance https://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/S%2BRJ10_general_guidance#Gen...

rkagerer 6y ago
I've been using Infiniband at home (cheap second hand equipment on eBay from universities and such) since before 10G was affordable, and loving it.
- buildbot 6y ago
  I recently picked up a pair of connect-x 3 cards plus a cable for 30$ total, and it’s been absolutely awesome so far. Infiniband for homelabs is a really underrated choice, if you can source cheap cables.
  - kbumsik 6y ago
    I recently bought ConnectX-3 too but not arrived yet. I have been thinking to use Infiniband bit I'm afraid to use it since I heard that it works completely different from Ethernet and I am zero knowledge in that. How's your experience in Infiniband? Do NFS/SAMBA work well without significant works?
    - floatboth 6y ago
      If you use IPoIB, well of course nfs will work, it's just IP. But most Mellanox cards work in Ethernet mode just fine, why bother with IB?
      - kbumsik 6y ago
        Then what are the use cases of IB at home? I mean, the comments talk about IB at home, so I am really curious.
        bleepblorp 6y ago
        It's primarily for homelab rather than pure home use, for people who are doing professional computing at home. The underlying use case is the same as in a professional environment e.g. SAN fabrics, clusters, etc.
xmodem 6y ago
Ethernet also has 802.3az, so the link speed can be dropped when the speed isn't needed. I'd wager that most home and SME applications are going to be perfectly happy just being able to burst to 10G for a few minutes at a time, and won't need to sustain that speed.
fulafel 6y ago
The original 10gbe copper standard is 10gbase-cx4, but lost out apparently.
gambiting 6y ago
>>10GBASE-T consumes too much power (2-5 Watts!) and generates too much heat for a single port I mean, I have an Asus 10GbE pciex card in my workstation that works at the advertised 10 gigabit speed using a 10GbE switch, Cat6 cables and another workstation with the same card - what am I missing?
- kbumsik 6y ago
  Of course, they are available for tech enthusiasts like you. But look at your Asus 10Gbe card with a passive cooler [1], and I bet your 10Gbe switch gets pretty hot or you are using a big switch. They have thermal/space limitations - they are not good for average consumer devices. [1] https://www.asus.com/us/Networking/XG-C100C/ https://www.asus.com/us/Networking/XG-C100C/
  - gambiting 6y ago
    I mean we have it at work because we very frequently copy 100GB+ builds across machines - and yes, the switch that we have is only 8 ports but full 1U size, and it is actively cooled.

rkagerer 6y ago

I've been using Infiniband at home (cheap second hand equipment on eBay from universities and such) since before 10G was affordable, and loving it.

buildbot 6y ago
I recently picked up a pair of connect-x 3 cards plus a cable for 30$ total, and it’s been absolutely awesome so far. Infiniband for homelabs is a really underrated choice, if you can source cheap cables.
- kbumsik 6y ago
  I recently bought ConnectX-3 too but not arrived yet. I have been thinking to use Infiniband bit I'm afraid to use it since I heard that it works completely different from Ethernet and I am zero knowledge in that. How's your experience in Infiniband? Do NFS/SAMBA work well without significant works?
  - floatboth 6y ago
    If you use IPoIB, well of course nfs will work, it's just IP. But most Mellanox cards work in Ethernet mode just fine, why bother with IB?
    - kbumsik 6y ago
      Then what are the use cases of IB at home? I mean, the comments talk about IB at home, so I am really curious.
      - bleepblorp 6y ago
        It's primarily for homelab rather than pure home use, for people who are doing professional computing at home. The underlying use case is the same as in a professional environment e.g. SAN fabrics, clusters, etc.

xmodem 6y ago

Ethernet also has 802.3az, so the link speed can be dropped when the speed isn't needed. I'd wager that most home and SME applications are going to be perfectly happy just being able to burst to 10G for a few minutes at a time, and won't need to sustain that speed.

fulafel 6y ago

The original 10gbe copper standard is 10gbase-cx4, but lost out apparently.

gambiting 6y ago

>>10GBASE-T consumes too much power (2-5 Watts!) and generates too much heat for a single port I mean, I have an Asus 10GbE pciex card in my workstation that works at the advertised 10 gigabit speed using a 10GbE switch, Cat6 cables and another workstation with the same card - what am I missing?

kbumsik 6y ago
Of course, they are available for tech enthusiasts like you. But look at your Asus 10Gbe card with a passive cooler [1], and I bet your 10Gbe switch gets pretty hot or you are using a big switch. They have thermal/space limitations - they are not good for average consumer devices. [1] https://www.asus.com/us/Networking/XG-C100C/ https://www.asus.com/us/Networking/XG-C100C/
- gambiting 6y ago
  I mean we have it at work because we very frequently copy 100GB+ builds across machines - and yes, the switch that we have is only 8 ports but full 1U size, and it is actively cooled.