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That's what countries like Canada has, while they do have a work visa program, getting permanent residency is actually easier for talented folks.

mcrider 6y ago
Not really; If you have an in-demand skill set you get extra 'points' on the PR scoring chart, but you need to demonstrate many other things to reach the threshold required to get status. I went through that process and was denied because my work experience was through contracting (which for whatever reason didn't count). This was 10 years ago though, so things may have changed (also after three applications I finally got PR and then citizenship as of last year).
- RspecMAuthortah 6y ago
  Not really. It has gotten worse. It used to be if you are a graduate or have experience working in a Canadian company you would score points. Which was much less prone to abuse. Now they still have point based system, but the above don't get any extra point, and if you have those said qualifications anywhere, as long as you can prove (through documentations) you get the same points. Result is rampant abuse with overseas companies that "vet" candidates' degrees and experience providing certificates and such things. And it takes longer for graduates from Canadian universities or someone with experience working at a company here since they compete in the same lottery pool. It is still far better than US, but it could take you a while before your points start closer to the draw.
  - nsonha 6y ago
    I went through the thing in Australia just 3 years ago. We have the same problem with people from certain country having a lot of experience and inflate the point system. The exp points in Australia acummulate twice as fast as exp overseas so those who worked in Australia like myself still have the advantage. However I am now not a fan of the point system as it's just another standard test to be hijacked by multiple attack vectors. I'd much prefer the european way where work visa is given out easily with fair wage and better mobility, (in Australia you have 4 - 6 weeks to find a new employer, not impossible for software but a bit tight). From what I've heard there is no real incentive to acquire citizenship/PR in many european countries b/c temporary residents enjoy the same stability.
    - SZJX 6y ago
      It's not totally true that you don't need PR in European countries. For example you would get very different treatments and interest rates for loans when you want to buy real estate or apply for credit cards (many banks flatout turn down your application). You're probably not that much of a "second class citizen" compared to somebody working in the US, but some subtle restrictions still do exist. Though of course I can easily imagine the situation being much worse in the US.
lenkite 6y ago
Getting Canadian permanent status is fairly tough. The points based system is merit based.
- KyleSanderson 6y ago
  No, it really isn't. If you have your masters you can immediately be granted PR. This is the case for all Indian nationals - however it is still lottery based. The point system you're talking about is for unskilled labour, and that still has the 5 year in the country+ language requirements.
  - lenkite 6y ago
    AFAIK, even a master's degree has points which add to your total in the comprehensive ranking system. https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/immigrate-canada/express-entry/eligibility/criteria-comprehensive-ranking-system/grid.html https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/se... And those points matter towards getting a Permanent Residence Status.
  - bluebknight 6y ago
    This is completely wrong. There's no lottery for Canadian PR. There's no fast track for masters. It's entirely points based. Source: I work at Google Canada and submitted my PR application last year.
esolyt 6y ago
No, Canada doesn't have this. I don't know any country that gives immediate citizenship to talented individuals.
wing-_-nuts 6y ago
Canada discriminates against those with disabilities that they deem would impose an 'excess burden', regardless of whether you have a good paying job or not. They are not perfect.

mcrider 6y ago

Not really; If you have an in-demand skill set you get extra 'points' on the PR scoring chart, but you need to demonstrate many other things to reach the threshold required to get status. I went through that process and was denied because my work experience was through contracting (which for whatever reason didn't count). This was 10 years ago though, so things may have changed (also after three applications I finally got PR and then citizenship as of last year).

RspecMAuthortah 6y ago
Not really. It has gotten worse. It used to be if you are a graduate or have experience working in a Canadian company you would score points. Which was much less prone to abuse. Now they still have point based system, but the above don't get any extra point, and if you have those said qualifications anywhere, as long as you can prove (through documentations) you get the same points. Result is rampant abuse with overseas companies that "vet" candidates' degrees and experience providing certificates and such things. And it takes longer for graduates from Canadian universities or someone with experience working at a company here since they compete in the same lottery pool. It is still far better than US, but it could take you a while before your points start closer to the draw.
- nsonha 6y ago
  I went through the thing in Australia just 3 years ago. We have the same problem with people from certain country having a lot of experience and inflate the point system. The exp points in Australia acummulate twice as fast as exp overseas so those who worked in Australia like myself still have the advantage. However I am now not a fan of the point system as it's just another standard test to be hijacked by multiple attack vectors. I'd much prefer the european way where work visa is given out easily with fair wage and better mobility, (in Australia you have 4 - 6 weeks to find a new employer, not impossible for software but a bit tight). From what I've heard there is no real incentive to acquire citizenship/PR in many european countries b/c temporary residents enjoy the same stability.
  - SZJX 6y ago
    It's not totally true that you don't need PR in European countries. For example you would get very different treatments and interest rates for loans when you want to buy real estate or apply for credit cards (many banks flatout turn down your application). You're probably not that much of a "second class citizen" compared to somebody working in the US, but some subtle restrictions still do exist. Though of course I can easily imagine the situation being much worse in the US.

lenkite 6y ago

Getting Canadian permanent status is fairly tough. The points based system is merit based.

KyleSanderson 6y ago
No, it really isn't. If you have your masters you can immediately be granted PR. This is the case for all Indian nationals - however it is still lottery based. The point system you're talking about is for unskilled labour, and that still has the 5 year in the country+ language requirements.
- lenkite 6y ago
  AFAIK, even a master's degree has points which add to your total in the comprehensive ranking system. https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/immigrate-canada/express-entry/eligibility/criteria-comprehensive-ranking-system/grid.html https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/se... And those points matter towards getting a Permanent Residence Status.
- bluebknight 6y ago
  This is completely wrong. There's no lottery for Canadian PR. There's no fast track for masters. It's entirely points based. Source: I work at Google Canada and submitted my PR application last year.

esolyt 6y ago

No, Canada doesn't have this. I don't know any country that gives immediate citizenship to talented individuals.

wing-_-nuts 6y ago

Canada discriminates against those with disabilities that they deem would impose an 'excess burden', regardless of whether you have a good paying job or not. They are not perfect.