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> It is convenient for the country to attract and retain their talent, of which there is currently a shortage. I think this subtle misdirection is how the lie

> It is convenient for the country to attract and retain their talent, of which there is currently a shortage. I think this subtle misdirection is how the lie gets slipped in. It's not that there is a shortage for talent. It's that there is a shortage for talent available at the price point that corporations want. Does that mean we should create an indentured servitude system to make that available? The whole idea of artificially creating an immigration system expressly for those willing to get exploited is pretty distasteful to me and harkens back to a bunch of other distasteful ways this country used to procure its cheap labor. The bandaid has to be pulled off at some point. People will get hurt in the process. But if this isn't rectified now, even more suffering will occur in the future.

ravila4 6y ago
In my view, we can never not have a shortage of talent when it comes to scientific disciplines - at any pricepoint. The beauty of bringing more researchers to the country is that they eventually help create as many or more jobs than they "take".
- yowlingcat 6y ago
  What leads you to say that? I'd take the counterpoint. Much of what passes for "science" these days is glorified p-hacking for conference proceeding churn and sweatshop adjunct work to pump out a minimum amount of monetizable IP to underwrite an ever bloating university administration complex. It seems closer to scientism than to science for me. And I think that is the natural result of intellectual pursuit being diluted into a commodity.
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  - ravila4 6y ago
    On the comment regarding "p-hacking". I think that is a separate issue altogether and irrelevant to the discussion. Universities have essentially become businesses and they push scientists to "publish or perish". If anything, it is a case for democratizing science even more.
- AlphaSite 6y ago
  I think you meant to say there will never be an excess of talent? (If I’m reading your comment correctly)
  - ravila4 6y ago
    Yes, sorry for the double-negative
stevespang 6y ago
It's that there is a shortage for talent available at the price point that corporations want. EXACTLY.

ravila4 6y ago

In my view, we can never not have a shortage of talent when it comes to scientific disciplines - at any pricepoint. The beauty of bringing more researchers to the country is that they eventually help create as many or more jobs than they "take".

yowlingcat 6y ago
What leads you to say that? I'd take the counterpoint. Much of what passes for "science" these days is glorified p-hacking for conference proceeding churn and sweatshop adjunct work to pump out a minimum amount of monetizable IP to underwrite an ever bloating university administration complex. It seems closer to scientism than to science for me. And I think that is the natural result of intellectual pursuit being diluted into a commodity.
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- ravila4 6y ago
  On the comment regarding "p-hacking". I think that is a separate issue altogether and irrelevant to the discussion. Universities have essentially become businesses and they push scientists to "publish or perish". If anything, it is a case for democratizing science even more.
AlphaSite 6y ago
I think you meant to say there will never be an excess of talent? (If I’m reading your comment correctly)
- ravila4 6y ago
  Yes, sorry for the double-negative

stevespang 6y ago

It's that there is a shortage for talent available at the price point that corporations want. EXACTLY.