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The original poster can give the real answer (I have a feeling you know what I'm about to write and want the _story_) but: For certain technically focused jobs

by zxcmx 6y ago

The original poster can give the real answer (I have a feeling you know what I'm about to write and want the _story_) but: For certain technically focused jobs it's easy for other skilled practitioners to tell that you can do it. A degree is nice but is actually less useful for signalling than concrete, interesting work in the field because the latter is rarer. I've seen this play out particularly in computer security and low-level software development. Where lack of qualifications really holds you back is when you're being hired by non-experts. They usually can't evaluate "direct evidence" and must rely on credentials instead. Paradoxically this means you can have an easier time getting hired without a degree at a "top" company than a mid-tier one.

person_of_color 6y ago
What you say is true, but thousands of smart grads apply for big tech companies, why choose someone without a degree?
- unnouinceput 6y ago
  kernel/shmernel, why not? Ain't like a kernel is a mystical land in a far away galaxy. It's just another program. In DOS era every program was a kernel when was running. If you wanted to play nice with others you'd do a TSR program and make sure you did not freeze the PC. I know it's an oversimplification but the basis is the same. When you write for kernel you make sure to no tip over anything, just like with a TSR in DOS.
- zxcmx 6y ago
  If you assume people are more or less fungible except for some "Q" (quality measure) sure, you probably wouldn't hire someone without a degree. You would sort your applicants by "Q" and drop everyone below a cutoff. I suppose I would call this the "human resources" view. On the other hand if you have a team of domain experts who are passionate about subject "S", they don't actually care about "Q". They care whether you have deep interest, expertise and potential in their domain area. They want to know what you can bring to their team. Now, a lot of times a good candidate will be someone with a PhD in "S", but it's not about the qualification. It's about "S". "No degree" hires usually don't come in the HR front door as a "fungible human resource". They usually get noticed or referred by someone passionate about "S", for a job doing "S". I don't actually know if this was the OP's situation; there are other ways this can work. Good recruiters will try to hoover up talent by searching for people with relevant work experience (substituting that for a degree) and throw them into the funnel.
- dagmx 6y ago
  Presumably because this person was provably better than the other candidates. A degree is valuable in some regards, but it is not a mark of quality of candidate. Similarly the lack of a degree is also not a mark against a candidate.
- sedatk 6y ago
  Microsoft doesn't regard new graduates and industry experts interchangable. When I was hired, I had about 10 years of professional software development experience, especially in low-level areas (such as firewall software, data transfer protocol design, DOS-based GUI libraries, terminal emulation and so forth). I had good amount of operating system architecture knowledge too. I probably didn't have the fresh mind and well-formed education of a new graduate but I think I compensated that with the experience pretty much okay.

by zxcmx 6y ago

person_of_color 6y ago

What you say is true, but thousands of smart grads apply for big tech companies, why choose someone without a degree?

unnouinceput 6y ago
kernel/shmernel, why not? Ain't like a kernel is a mystical land in a far away galaxy. It's just another program. In DOS era every program was a kernel when was running. If you wanted to play nice with others you'd do a TSR program and make sure you did not freeze the PC. I know it's an oversimplification but the basis is the same. When you write for kernel you make sure to no tip over anything, just like with a TSR in DOS.
zxcmx 6y ago
If you assume people are more or less fungible except for some "Q" (quality measure) sure, you probably wouldn't hire someone without a degree. You would sort your applicants by "Q" and drop everyone below a cutoff. I suppose I would call this the "human resources" view. On the other hand if you have a team of domain experts who are passionate about subject "S", they don't actually care about "Q". They care whether you have deep interest, expertise and potential in their domain area. They want to know what you can bring to their team. Now, a lot of times a good candidate will be someone with a PhD in "S", but it's not about the qualification. It's about "S". "No degree" hires usually don't come in the HR front door as a "fungible human resource". They usually get noticed or referred by someone passionate about "S", for a job doing "S". I don't actually know if this was the OP's situation; there are other ways this can work. Good recruiters will try to hoover up talent by searching for people with relevant work experience (substituting that for a degree) and throw them into the funnel.
dagmx 6y ago
Presumably because this person was provably better than the other candidates. A degree is valuable in some regards, but it is not a mark of quality of candidate. Similarly the lack of a degree is also not a mark against a candidate.
sedatk 6y ago
Microsoft doesn't regard new graduates and industry experts interchangable. When I was hired, I had about 10 years of professional software development experience, especially in low-level areas (such as firewall software, data transfer protocol design, DOS-based GUI libraries, terminal emulation and so forth). I had good amount of operating system architecture knowledge too. I probably didn't have the fresh mind and well-formed education of a new graduate but I think I compensated that with the experience pretty much okay.