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I'm fully supportive of massively more immigration - I believe it's a net economic positive and a moral imperative. At the same time, if a program is designed

I'm fully supportive of massively more immigration - I believe it's a net economic positive and a moral imperative. At the same time, if a program is designed to bring in 'exceptional talent' but is really just importing mediocre drones from a single country, that's not really serving the purpose of the program. Let's fix H1Bs and then work on more equitable ways to allow other forms of beneficial immigration.

AnAnonyCowherd 6y ago
> At the same time, if a program There's no "if" here.
AndriyKunitsyn 6y ago
So, draining talent from less successful countries with a desperate need of this talent is a ‘moral imperative’ to you?
- mikeyouse 6y ago
  Aside from all of the evidence that both countries benefit in these arrangements as people skill up and often move home later on, letting free citizens choose where to maximize their livelihoods is a moral imperative, yes.
  - AndriyKunitsyn 6y ago
    >Aside from all of the evidence that both countries benefit in these arrangements as people skill up and often move home later on Can you please provide this evidence? I want to be educated on that. I thought that returning home is really rare for these people, and it does not compensate negative effects of the "brain drain" at all. >letting free citizens choose where to maximize their livelihoods is a moral imperative, yes People should be free to pursue whatever they want, no questioning that. However, elites of the US create such conditions that the best career path for the people from less fortunate countries is to move out, break cultural bonds and, probably, make the countries that they moved from, even less fortunate in the end - is it really moral? I think that the most moral option would be increasing investment and creating child companies in countries where these people move from, creating nice jobs outside of the US, so nobody would have to move anywhere.
  - nullsense 6y ago
    Yeah if I could work in silicon valley for a few years then come home I think that'd be a net win all around.

AnAnonyCowherd 6y ago

> At the same time, if a program There's no "if" here.

AndriyKunitsyn 6y ago

So, draining talent from less successful countries with a desperate need of this talent is a ‘moral imperative’ to you?

mikeyouse 6y ago
Aside from all of the evidence that both countries benefit in these arrangements as people skill up and often move home later on, letting free citizens choose where to maximize their livelihoods is a moral imperative, yes.
- AndriyKunitsyn 6y ago
  >Aside from all of the evidence that both countries benefit in these arrangements as people skill up and often move home later on Can you please provide this evidence? I want to be educated on that. I thought that returning home is really rare for these people, and it does not compensate negative effects of the "brain drain" at all. >letting free citizens choose where to maximize their livelihoods is a moral imperative, yes People should be free to pursue whatever they want, no questioning that. However, elites of the US create such conditions that the best career path for the people from less fortunate countries is to move out, break cultural bonds and, probably, make the countries that they moved from, even less fortunate in the end - is it really moral? I think that the most moral option would be increasing investment and creating child companies in countries where these people move from, creating nice jobs outside of the US, so nobody would have to move anywhere.
- nullsense 6y ago
  Yeah if I could work in silicon valley for a few years then come home I think that'd be a net win all around.