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I would absolutely speculate that this requirement was made to block many good candidates. After all, the point of a visa system is to constrict the pool of pot

I would absolutely speculate that this requirement was made to block many good candidates. After all, the point of a visa system is to constrict the pool of potential candidates anyway.

chrisseaton 6y ago
> After all, the point of a visa system is to constrict the pool of potential candidates anyway. No, that's not the point. If that's what you wanted to achieve then you'd be best off not having any visa system. So obviously this is not what they're optimising for.
- sushshshsh 6y ago
  You mean, if you wanted to constrict international immigrants you would block all immigrants from coming here. If there was no visa system, then companies would be free to hire whoever they wanted.
  - chrisseaton 6y ago
    > If there was no visa system, then companies would be free to hire whoever they wanted. No. I don't know if you're not familiar with what these terms mean, but by default most people don't have permission to work in the US. That's the default situation if there were no visas. Visas didn't create this default situation - they're the tool that allows you to get permission beyond the default of not having permission. If you had no visa system... nobody would have the needed permission. You're thinking everyone would get default permission but that's not the case.
- gumby 6y ago
  > If that's what you wanted to achieve then you'd be best off not having any visa system. So obviously this is not what they're optimising for. If you want to change an existing system, slice the salami thinly. Whether they intend it or not they are optimizing for moving a lot of work overseas. They seem to think the economy is the same as in 1945. And even to get to 1945 the US imported a ton of nuclear physicists and other scientists.
xenospn 6y ago
Simple. List multiple jobs requiring "electrical engineer" or "data scientist" and pool all applicants together for a single position.
- sushshshsh 6y ago
  Hehehe... I like this solution. I'm an American citizen, my wife was on H1B and now we're in the middle of transfering her to a green card. This process is designed to make immigrants' lives hard, as far as I can tell.
flurben 6y ago
nonsense. The point of a visa system is to expand the domestic labor pool.
- ajsnigrutin 6y ago
  This is bad for the local workers. Smaller labor pool = higer wages.
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  - chrisseaton 6y ago
    > This is bad for the local workers. This is short sighted. If an expert is brought in from overseas to do something that local people can't do, then it can create additional employment opportunities on projects and development that would not have been possible without their expertise. That's the point of the visa.
    - flurben 6y ago
      Well that is the original stated legislative intent, for "jobs local people can't do." But in reality, this was never an enforced requirement. It is very common for expensive americans to be fired and replaced with a cheaper holder of an h1b.
      - ajsnigrutin 6y ago
        A minimum wage, set as (eg.) 1.5x avearage wage in that sector in that state would be a good requirement for getting a visa. That would make companies offer more (1.1, 1.2 ... 1.499x average) and get local workers, and if they're still, even with a higher wage, unable to get a worker, they'd get one with an H1B visa.
        flurben 6y ago
        That is far too low, and far too bureaucratic and far too easy to game. It should simply be a fixed number of visas allocated to the highest wage applicants, like an auction, end of story.

I would absolutely speculate that this requirement was made to block many good candidates. After all, the point of a visa system is to constrict the pool of potential candidates anyway.

chrisseaton 6y ago

> After all, the point of a visa system is to constrict the pool of potential candidates anyway. No, that's not the point. If that's what you wanted to achieve then you'd be best off not having any visa system. So obviously this is not what they're optimising for.

sushshshsh 6y ago
You mean, if you wanted to constrict international immigrants you would block all immigrants from coming here. If there was no visa system, then companies would be free to hire whoever they wanted.
- chrisseaton 6y ago
  > If there was no visa system, then companies would be free to hire whoever they wanted. No. I don't know if you're not familiar with what these terms mean, but by default most people don't have permission to work in the US. That's the default situation if there were no visas. Visas didn't create this default situation - they're the tool that allows you to get permission beyond the default of not having permission. If you had no visa system... nobody would have the needed permission. You're thinking everyone would get default permission but that's not the case.
gumby 6y ago
> If that's what you wanted to achieve then you'd be best off not having any visa system. So obviously this is not what they're optimising for. If you want to change an existing system, slice the salami thinly. Whether they intend it or not they are optimizing for moving a lot of work overseas. They seem to think the economy is the same as in 1945. And even to get to 1945 the US imported a ton of nuclear physicists and other scientists.

xenospn 6y ago

Simple. List multiple jobs requiring "electrical engineer" or "data scientist" and pool all applicants together for a single position.

sushshshsh 6y ago
Hehehe... I like this solution. I'm an American citizen, my wife was on H1B and now we're in the middle of transfering her to a green card. This process is designed to make immigrants' lives hard, as far as I can tell.

flurben 6y ago

nonsense. The point of a visa system is to expand the domestic labor pool.

ajsnigrutin 6y ago
This is bad for the local workers. Smaller labor pool = higer wages.
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- chrisseaton 6y ago
  > This is bad for the local workers. This is short sighted. If an expert is brought in from overseas to do something that local people can't do, then it can create additional employment opportunities on projects and development that would not have been possible without their expertise. That's the point of the visa.
  - flurben 6y ago
    Well that is the original stated legislative intent, for "jobs local people can't do." But in reality, this was never an enforced requirement. It is very common for expensive americans to be fired and replaced with a cheaper holder of an h1b.
    - ajsnigrutin 6y ago
      A minimum wage, set as (eg.) 1.5x avearage wage in that sector in that state would be a good requirement for getting a visa. That would make companies offer more (1.1, 1.2 ... 1.499x average) and get local workers, and if they're still, even with a higher wage, unable to get a worker, they'd get one with an H1B visa.
      - flurben 6y ago
        That is far too low, and far too bureaucratic and far too easy to game. It should simply be a fixed number of visas allocated to the highest wage applicants, like an auction, end of story.