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> Canada, a country 1/10th the size of the US, brings in 300,000 new immigrants each year. The US brings in 140,000. This means Canada brings in 20X the number

by dahdum 6y ago

> Canada, a country 1/10th the size of the US, brings in 300,000 new immigrants each year. The US brings in 140,000. This means Canada brings in 20X the number of new immigrants per capita than the US does. The US had 1.8 million new immigrants (legal and otherwise) in 2016 and ~13% of the population is foreign born. Canada exceeds that (~21%) but nothing like the 20X rate you're claiming.

arcticbull 6y ago
Immigrants are defined in US law as green card holders.
- dahdum 6y ago
  ~1.2 million green cards were issued in 2016, with the rest of the 1.8 million immigrants being undocumented. I'm not sure what data you're looking at?
  - arcticbull 6y ago
    The INA allocates 140,000 visas annually for all five employment-based LPR categories. 226,000 are available for family based migration. [3, 4] I was likely neglecting the Immediate Relatives of US Citizens? Is that un-capped? [1] https://www.stilt.com/blog/2020/03/visa-bulletin/ https://www.stilt.com/blog/2020/03/visa-bulletin/ [2] https://www.cato.org/publications/policy-analysis/immigration-wait-times-quotas-have-doubled-green-card-backlogs-are-long#endnote-002 https://www.cato.org/publications/policy-analysis/immigratio... [3] https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R45447 https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R45447 [4] https://www.congress.gov/116/crec/2020/05/12/modified/CREC-2020-05-12-pt1-PgS2383-2.htm https://www.congress.gov/116/crec/2020/05/12/modified/CREC-2... And also, 2017 Yearbook of Immigration Statistics, Table 6, “Persons Obtaining Lawful Permanent Resident Status by Type and Major Class of Admission,” Department of Homeland Security.
    - dahdum 6y ago
      There's the problem, you're comparing the overall immigration numbers for Canada to just the capped employment portion for the US. In addition, Canada isn't as accepting of illegal immigration (estimates of 35-120k in total there now), while the US adds 600k+ yearly. > Immediate family of U.S. citizens. U.S. citizens can sponsor their spouses, unmarried children under age 21, and parents for a green card. This category does not have annual numerical limits. > Family-sponsored preference visas. There are 226,000 green cards reserved each year for other categories of relatives. U.S. citizens can sponsor adult children and siblings, while green-card holders can sponsor their spouses and unmarried minor or adult children. > The Employment Route. There are 140,000 green cards available each year for immigrants in five employment-based categories (formally known as “preferences”). https://www.migrationpolicy.org/content/explainer-how-us-legal-immigration-system-works https://www.migrationpolicy.org/content/explainer-how-us-leg...
      - arcticbull 6y ago
        The Canadian numbers are number of new permanent residents, so the equivalent of new green card holders in the US, in all classes. The US number is also the number of new permanent residents, however if my mistake was in fact that I excluded immediate family of citizens, then the number is 5X, not 10X. However, still, dramatic. I'll have to dig in more to make sure that's what I did. [edit] Thanks for your help in figuring out my mistake!

by dahdum 6y ago

arcticbull 6y ago

Immigrants are defined in US law as green card holders.

dahdum 6y ago
~1.2 million green cards were issued in 2016, with the rest of the 1.8 million immigrants being undocumented. I'm not sure what data you're looking at?
- arcticbull 6y ago
  The INA allocates 140,000 visas annually for all five employment-based LPR categories. 226,000 are available for family based migration. [3, 4] I was likely neglecting the Immediate Relatives of US Citizens? Is that un-capped? [1] https://www.stilt.com/blog/2020/03/visa-bulletin/ https://www.stilt.com/blog/2020/03/visa-bulletin/ [2] https://www.cato.org/publications/policy-analysis/immigration-wait-times-quotas-have-doubled-green-card-backlogs-are-long#endnote-002 https://www.cato.org/publications/policy-analysis/immigratio... [3] https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R45447 https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R45447 [4] https://www.congress.gov/116/crec/2020/05/12/modified/CREC-2020-05-12-pt1-PgS2383-2.htm https://www.congress.gov/116/crec/2020/05/12/modified/CREC-2... And also, 2017 Yearbook of Immigration Statistics, Table 6, “Persons Obtaining Lawful Permanent Resident Status by Type and Major Class of Admission,” Department of Homeland Security.
  - dahdum 6y ago
    There's the problem, you're comparing the overall immigration numbers for Canada to just the capped employment portion for the US. In addition, Canada isn't as accepting of illegal immigration (estimates of 35-120k in total there now), while the US adds 600k+ yearly. > Immediate family of U.S. citizens. U.S. citizens can sponsor their spouses, unmarried children under age 21, and parents for a green card. This category does not have annual numerical limits. > Family-sponsored preference visas. There are 226,000 green cards reserved each year for other categories of relatives. U.S. citizens can sponsor adult children and siblings, while green-card holders can sponsor their spouses and unmarried minor or adult children. > The Employment Route. There are 140,000 green cards available each year for immigrants in five employment-based categories (formally known as “preferences”). https://www.migrationpolicy.org/content/explainer-how-us-legal-immigration-system-works https://www.migrationpolicy.org/content/explainer-how-us-leg...
    - arcticbull 6y ago
      The Canadian numbers are number of new permanent residents, so the equivalent of new green card holders in the US, in all classes. The US number is also the number of new permanent residents, however if my mistake was in fact that I excluded immediate family of citizens, then the number is 5X, not 10X. However, still, dramatic. I'll have to dig in more to make sure that's what I did. [edit] Thanks for your help in figuring out my mistake!