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Your numbers are wrong [1]. > The United States has more immigrants than any other country in the world. Today, more than 40 million people living in the U.S.

Your numbers are wrong [1]. > The United States has more immigrants than any other country in the world. Today, more than 40 million people living in the U.S. were born in another country, accounting for about one-fifth of the world’s migrants. > The U.S. foreign-born population reached a record 44.8 million in 2018. > More than 1 million immigrants arrive in the U.S. each year. What amazes me is how much hate the US gets for being one of the most generous countries on Earth. The US has changed since the 19th century, when we needed endless amounts of unskilled labor. Things are much different today, and the H1-B Visa has been abused for decades. > The process of bringing in H-1Bs is already so expensive, arduous and wasteful that companies aren't going to be bringing in huge quantities of "US replacement" labor. I certainly wouldn't if I were in charge of hiring. Good. It sounds like it's somewhat serving it's purpose. Hopefully these changes will improve it more. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/08/20/key-findings-about-u-s-immigrants/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/08/20/key-finding...

vincentmarle 6y ago
> What amazes me is how much hate the US gets for being one of the most generous countries on Earth. Well, "generous" is a big word. There's not much handed to you when you move to the US, you'll have to work hard for your money, like everyone else. If you want to know what generous looks like, try talking with an immigrant in Europe.
arcticbull 6y ago
Let's get some terminology right. Immigrants are defined in US law as lawful permanent residents, i.e. green card holders. Congress caps the number of green cards issued at 366,000 per year. Therefore, the number of new immigrants to the US each year is 366,000. The 140,000 number I initially used incorrectly was the number of employment based green cards as compared to family based. I've updated the math. [edit] It's 1M once you factor in family of citizens. Everyone else is a non-immigrant visitor, and not relevant to my numbers. > The U.S. foreign-born population reached a record 44.8 million in 2018. The immigrant and descendent of immigrant population of the US is roughly 100%, because there are only 5 million native Americans in the US. > What amazes me is how much hate the US gets for being one of the most generous countries on Earth. Canada brings in 25X per capita the number of refugees and 10X per capita the number of new lawful permanent resident. You're simply mistaken.
- newfriend 6y ago
  Unfortunately your smug reply is wrong, as I said before. From: https://www.dhs.gov/immigration-statistics/yearbook/2018/table1 https://www.dhs.gov/immigration-statistics/yearbook/2018/tab... Table 1. Persons Obtaining Lawful Permanent Resident Status: Fiscal Years 1820 to 2018 Year Number 2018 1,096,611 2017 1,127,167 2016 1,183,505 This also obviously doesn't even count the number of illegal aliens coming here every year. > The immigrant and descendent of immigrant population of the US is roughly 100%, because there are only 5 million native Americans in the US. Native Americans came from elsewhere at some point too, I suppose they are immigrants also according to your meaningless definition. Forgive me if I don't care about the per-capita number of refugees in Canada. You are the one who is mistaken.
  - arcticbull 6y ago
    I likely excluded the number of US citizen direct family members, which means Canada brings in 5X per capita not 10X - or even the 20X from before. That's still a startlingly large delta. > Forgive me if I don't care about the per-capita number of refugees in Canada. Well then why are you replying to me? > You are the one who is mistaken. I'm wrong about lots of things, and my goal is always to get it right, and I've edited my responses for clarity, with a statement of why. However, the fact remains, 25X more refugees per capita and 5X more immigrants per capita is a lot. Thank you for your help in figuring out where the delta was! I didn't mean to come off smug though, I saw other folks had varying definitions of what an "immigrant" was.

vincentmarle 6y ago

> What amazes me is how much hate the US gets for being one of the most generous countries on Earth. Well, "generous" is a big word. There's not much handed to you when you move to the US, you'll have to work hard for your money, like everyone else. If you want to know what generous looks like, try talking with an immigrant in Europe.

arcticbull 6y ago

Let's get some terminology right. Immigrants are defined in US law as lawful permanent residents, i.e. green card holders. Congress caps the number of green cards issued at 366,000 per year. Therefore, the number of new immigrants to the US each year is 366,000. The 140,000 number I initially used incorrectly was the number of employment based green cards as compared to family based. I've updated the math. [edit] It's 1M once you factor in family of citizens. Everyone else is a non-immigrant visitor, and not relevant to my numbers. > The U.S. foreign-born population reached a record 44.8 million in 2018. The immigrant and descendent of immigrant population of the US is roughly 100%, because there are only 5 million native Americans in the US. > What amazes me is how much hate the US gets for being one of the most generous countries on Earth. Canada brings in 25X per capita the number of refugees and 10X per capita the number of new lawful permanent resident. You're simply mistaken.

newfriend 6y ago
Unfortunately your smug reply is wrong, as I said before. From: https://www.dhs.gov/immigration-statistics/yearbook/2018/table1 https://www.dhs.gov/immigration-statistics/yearbook/2018/tab... Table 1. Persons Obtaining Lawful Permanent Resident Status: Fiscal Years 1820 to 2018 Year Number 2018 1,096,611 2017 1,127,167 2016 1,183,505 This also obviously doesn't even count the number of illegal aliens coming here every year. > The immigrant and descendent of immigrant population of the US is roughly 100%, because there are only 5 million native Americans in the US. Native Americans came from elsewhere at some point too, I suppose they are immigrants also according to your meaningless definition. Forgive me if I don't care about the per-capita number of refugees in Canada. You are the one who is mistaken.
- arcticbull 6y ago
  I likely excluded the number of US citizen direct family members, which means Canada brings in 5X per capita not 10X - or even the 20X from before. That's still a startlingly large delta. > Forgive me if I don't care about the per-capita number of refugees in Canada. Well then why are you replying to me? > You are the one who is mistaken. I'm wrong about lots of things, and my goal is always to get it right, and I've edited my responses for clarity, with a statement of why. However, the fact remains, 25X more refugees per capita and 5X more immigrants per capita is a lot. Thank you for your help in figuring out where the delta was! I didn't mean to come off smug though, I saw other folks had varying definitions of what an "immigrant" was.