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If you are going to call out “infrastructure to support it”, care to elaborate and maybe throw in some numbers?

by koluna 6y ago

core-questions 6y ago
It's about _carrying capacity_, not "infrastructure". We can only absorb people at some maximum rate and still have a chance of bringing them on board with hard-fought Canadian cultural values, getting them up to speed with our official languages, and integrating them into local communities. Past that rate, the tendency is for newcomers to seek out people who are from their home country and speak their language. This creates insular bubbles of culture and damages any effort to actually create a cohesive whole. Multiculturalism in Canada is different than in America. Here, there's something bigger for us to assimilate to that actually still holds value as a construct; a greater Canadian archetype that has done extremely well as a common point for newcomers to converge on for the past few decades. However, it would be easy to exceed the rate at which this is workable, and end up with a fractured country where people retain their entire original identity and never "become Canadian". This is a legitimate concern for people that love the country created by people who are Canadian through and through and want to see some of our lesser-known values (such as anticorruption, engineering quality, sustainability, etc) continue to propagate.
- koluna 6y ago
  OK, so where exactly has this NOT worked? Where is this huge number of people that just aren’t adjusted to the “Canadian lifestyle”?
  - core-questions 6y ago
    Well, there are certainly areas of Vancouver and Toronto and their outlying suburbs that are on the verge of this; but it's more of an issue with recognizing the potential issues by looking at other countries that are further down the demographic path than Canada is. Or do you think it's necessary to have a problem in order to understand it?
- frequentnapper 6y ago
  Thank you for explaining it so well. Like I said I am not against immigration as I myself am one. I would just like our government to be mindful about the challenges it poses as well and adjust the rate based on how much we are able to take in at any given point without stressing out the system and making life worse for people already here.

If you are going to call out “infrastructure to support it”, care to elaborate and maybe throw in some numbers?

by koluna 6y ago

If you are going to call out “infrastructure to support it”, care to elaborate and maybe throw in some numbers?

It's about _carrying capacity_, not "infrastructure". We can only absorb people at some maximum rate and still have a chance of bringing them on board with hard-fought Canadian cultural values, getting them up to speed with our official languages, and integrating them into local communities. Past that rate, the tendency is for newcomers to seek out people who are from their home country and speak their language. This creates insular bubbles of culture and damages any effort to actually create a cohesive whole. Multiculturalism in Canada is different than in America. Here, there's something bigger for us to assimilate to that actually still holds value as a construct; a greater Canadian archetype that has done extremely well as a common point for newcomers to converge on for the past few decades. However, it would be easy to exceed the rate at which this is workable, and end up with a fractured country where people retain their entire original identity and never "become Canadian". This is a legitimate concern for people that love the country created by people who are Canadian through and through and want to see some of our lesser-known values (such as anticorruption, engineering quality, sustainability, etc) continue to propagate.

koluna 6y ago
OK, so where exactly has this NOT worked? Where is this huge number of people that just aren’t adjusted to the “Canadian lifestyle”?
- core-questions 6y ago
  Well, there are certainly areas of Vancouver and Toronto and their outlying suburbs that are on the verge of this; but it's more of an issue with recognizing the potential issues by looking at other countries that are further down the demographic path than Canada is. Or do you think it's necessary to have a problem in order to understand it?
frequentnapper 6y ago
Thank you for explaining it so well. Like I said I am not against immigration as I myself am one. I would just like our government to be mindful about the challenges it poses as well and adjust the rate based on how much we are able to take in at any given point without stressing out the system and making life worse for people already here.