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This was already the case, they would ask for a request for evidence (RFE) how the degree was related. This is annoying if you e.g. studied maths and then start

This was already the case, they would ask for a request for evidence (RFE) how the degree was related. This is annoying if you e.g. studied maths and then started working in IT.

airstrike 6y ago
Right, that was my understanding as well, but the WSJ article said the rule "narrowed" the list of degrees so I was curious if they had limited to some specific list like STEM degrees + Law + Medical or something like that
CinchWrench 6y ago
I've seen this abused so badly though--our compliance person in HR was asking me to help write one a while back for a candidate that had a BS in mechanical engineering and no relevant work experience, claiming that a course the applicant had that taught MATLAB was sufficient experience for a role as an android dev.
- mrtksn 6y ago
  How is that an abuse if the person is actually required to perform the Android Dev role at work? This looks like a rule that will block all the self thought developers, which are plenty and some are among the best.
  - CinchWrench 6y ago
    Because the applicant wasn't qualified to do it. H1B is not a jobs training program, but they were trying to use it as one. The US has a jobs training program for foreign workers/grads. It's called OPT. That's abuse.
    - Siira 6y ago
      "Qualified" by whom? By universities? Fortunately, in SE the code talks loud and clear, and discriminatory rent seekers need to invoke the violence monopoly to get their way.
    - rwalle 6y ago
      "weren't qualified" LOL. You don't know what you are talking about at all. I have a degree in physics but I have been programming since I was 10. From what I can tell, my programming skills and experience are no less than someone who graduated with a master in CS at a major university. This is called -- prejudice.
      - CinchWrench 6y ago
        prejudice--against what? Genuinely curious.
- C1sc0cat 6y ago
  A lot of Mech/Civil Eng is done with computers these days and to be blunt working in CFD for example is higher skilled than CRUD webdev
  - CinchWrench 6y ago
    I totally agree on the sophistication--I did a ton of HPC work for my masters thesis. But a class where you had to write some code to do basic finite element analysis or solve linear systems doesn't make you qualified work on a distributed software system.
    - C1sc0cat 6y ago
      Neither does a CS degree, if it comes to it. And if your working on big clusters you will using a distributed software system MPI Map Reduce Hadoop etc
      - CinchWrench 6y ago
        Right. And you're not going to learn to use any of those in a sophomore-level course on MATLAB to earn your MechE degree.

This was already the case, they would ask for a request for evidence (RFE) how the degree was related. This is annoying if you e.g. studied maths and then started working in IT.

airstrike 6y ago

Right, that was my understanding as well, but the WSJ article said the rule "narrowed" the list of degrees so I was curious if they had limited to some specific list like STEM degrees + Law + Medical or something like that

CinchWrench 6y ago

I've seen this abused so badly though--our compliance person in HR was asking me to help write one a while back for a candidate that had a BS in mechanical engineering and no relevant work experience, claiming that a course the applicant had that taught MATLAB was sufficient experience for a role as an android dev.

mrtksn 6y ago
How is that an abuse if the person is actually required to perform the Android Dev role at work? This looks like a rule that will block all the self thought developers, which are plenty and some are among the best.
- CinchWrench 6y ago
  Because the applicant wasn't qualified to do it. H1B is not a jobs training program, but they were trying to use it as one. The US has a jobs training program for foreign workers/grads. It's called OPT. That's abuse.
  - Siira 6y ago
    "Qualified" by whom? By universities? Fortunately, in SE the code talks loud and clear, and discriminatory rent seekers need to invoke the violence monopoly to get their way.
  - rwalle 6y ago
    "weren't qualified" LOL. You don't know what you are talking about at all. I have a degree in physics but I have been programming since I was 10. From what I can tell, my programming skills and experience are no less than someone who graduated with a master in CS at a major university. This is called -- prejudice.
    - CinchWrench 6y ago
      prejudice--against what? Genuinely curious.
C1sc0cat 6y ago
A lot of Mech/Civil Eng is done with computers these days and to be blunt working in CFD for example is higher skilled than CRUD webdev
- CinchWrench 6y ago
  I totally agree on the sophistication--I did a ton of HPC work for my masters thesis. But a class where you had to write some code to do basic finite element analysis or solve linear systems doesn't make you qualified work on a distributed software system.
  - C1sc0cat 6y ago
    Neither does a CS degree, if it comes to it. And if your working on big clusters you will using a distributed software system MPI Map Reduce Hadoop etc
    - CinchWrench 6y ago
      Right. And you're not going to learn to use any of those in a sophomore-level course on MATLAB to earn your MechE degree.