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>Tobacco may be a net detriment, but they do provide jobs, and profits of course, everyone loves profits and stocks going up! That has nothing to do with tobac

by pb7 6y ago

>Tobacco may be a net detriment, but they do provide jobs, and profits of course, everyone loves profits and stocks going up! That has nothing to do with tobacco. Jobs can just as easily be provided in any other industry. What does tobacco provide to society? As for the rest of your comment, on the contrary, I find this negative tech sentiment only present on Hacker News and similar tech-heavy forums. Regular people outside of tech hubs couldn't care less except for what the media is feeding them (no derogation, I am similarly fed by the media in industries I am not familiar with).

cblconfederate 6y ago
> Jobs can just as easily be provided in any other industry. What do pervasive ads provide to society? What does instagram? How did the obliteration of newspapers help? Tobacco provides stimulation to nicotinic acetylcholine receptors which increase alertness, heart rate, reaction times etc. Some people highly value this, even though overall it s an unhealthy habit. It's not black or white. You see more complaints here because there are a lot of IT professionals who have seen how these things work. Average folk dont know much beyond what with Big Tech's marketing departments spew. There's also a lot of pushback from mainstream press, which was to be expected since BigTech took all their ad incomes.
- pb7 6y ago
  Ads provide something to other companies, but I would agree not much to society at large. But that's because ads are the monetization -- their purpose isn't to provide value to the end users. It's like asking, what value does taking money from customers provide them? Well, the product/service they paid for. Ads monetize all sorts of useful products and services at scale like information, communication, and entertainment. Google being free means someone that wouldn't be able to afford a $25/mo (or way more) subscription gets equally good access to information. YouTube being free means people have access to entertainment created by independent creators who can be compensated for their efforts without being a part of a large organization. Facebook et al. being free means everyone can be connected without any one person being left out because they can't afford it. I think you know all of these things and we're basically debating on where the balance is between value from service and the cost of privacy, etc.

by pb7 6y ago

cblconfederate 6y ago

> Jobs can just as easily be provided in any other industry. What do pervasive ads provide to society? What does instagram? How did the obliteration of newspapers help? Tobacco provides stimulation to nicotinic acetylcholine receptors which increase alertness, heart rate, reaction times etc. Some people highly value this, even though overall it s an unhealthy habit. It's not black or white. You see more complaints here because there are a lot of IT professionals who have seen how these things work. Average folk dont know much beyond what with Big Tech's marketing departments spew. There's also a lot of pushback from mainstream press, which was to be expected since BigTech took all their ad incomes.

pb7 6y ago
Ads provide something to other companies, but I would agree not much to society at large. But that's because ads are the monetization -- their purpose isn't to provide value to the end users. It's like asking, what value does taking money from customers provide them? Well, the product/service they paid for. Ads monetize all sorts of useful products and services at scale like information, communication, and entertainment. Google being free means someone that wouldn't be able to afford a $25/mo (or way more) subscription gets equally good access to information. YouTube being free means people have access to entertainment created by independent creators who can be compensated for their efforts without being a part of a large organization. Facebook et al. being free means everyone can be connected without any one person being left out because they can't afford it. I think you know all of these things and we're basically debating on where the balance is between value from service and the cost of privacy, etc.