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I'm not quite sure on the reliability of this site, but assuming it's reliable... "And, as icing on the cake, seven of the top 10 most affordable states in the

I'm not quite sure on the reliability of this site, but assuming it's reliable... "And, as icing on the cake, seven of the top 10 most affordable states in the nation are in the Midwest." Name any big city you've heard of in the Midwest, and it's on the list. Chicago, Detroit, and so on. The list is, for the most part, "rust belt" cities that are all doing pretty well these days. I'd say the one thing they all have working against them is weather. I'm in Buffalo, and I can see why folks flock to SoCal and places with better weather. Winter can be a real drag sometimes. Working from home makes it much more bearable, commuting in a snow storm can be really rough, dangerous and even deadly.

encorekt 6y ago
That's not wrong, but as a Midwesterner, I think you also have people have legitimately enjoy experiencing all four seasons. And in cities with good public transit systems (like Chicago and Minneapolis) the damper of driving in crappy weather isn't as present.
- dahfizz 6y ago
  As a new englander, I can confirm that it's really nice to have weather and seasons. It would be boring if every day all year was the same.
- nightski 6y ago
  Agreed, winter has its hardships but having lived in the south I'd never give up winter, fall, and spring ever again. Winter is my second favorite season after fall.
- asdff 6y ago
  When I moved from the midwest to southern california, everyone told me I would get bored of the lack of seasons. What a load of crock. There are seasons here and they are quite distinct. The summer is dry and hot, but it's much more pleasant being out and about in 95* weather with no humidity than 85* after a july thunderstorm in the midwest with humidity you can cut with a knife. I only sweat when I do cardio, whereas in the midwest you could be drenched in sweat sitting in the shade in that humidity. The fall still happens, you can still drive 45 minutes to an apple orchard and see beautiful fall scenery and get your pumpkins and pick your apples, because there are massive mountain ranges nearby. Winter weather here is perfect fall weather everywhere else. 60-70 degrees by day and light jacket and jeans weather by night. Winter is also the rainy season, so you will see some dramatic storms and very interesting fog and mist, and the hills will turn to emerald green while the midwest enters its 6 months of brown mud, salt, and dirty snow phase. Things are in bloom all year at different times, but the spring brings on the jacaranda season, and the region erupts into purple. I've never seen a more glorious spring. As a former midwestern transit user, crappy weather doesn't go away once you are on transit. You still have to hoof it through the snow to and from your stop and wait for the vehicle which is far worse than driving door to door and spending maybe 30 seconds on each end outside. The vehicles aren't adequately heated. Plus no one ever plowed the sidewalks in the morning, so you are blazing your own trail through the slush, getting your feet wet if you weren't prepared with Sorels.
phkahler 6y ago
You gotta get away from that lake-effect snow. Detroit area winters dont get that, but the western half of the state does. Chicago and Wisconsin are colder but offer clearer skies in the winter, as moisture and heat are picked up from the water as the weather moves west to east.
qualitydrew 6y ago
Former Buffalo resident in Colorado right now - I've been attracted back to the area due to climate change for the most part. The Great Lakes are the one part of the country that will get (relatively) more habitable in the next ~100 years [0]. Even today, I'd happily trade 6 months of snow and clouds for breathable air year-round. [0] https://projects.propublica.org/climate-migration/ https://projects.propublica.org/climate-migration/

encorekt 6y ago

That's not wrong, but as a Midwesterner, I think you also have people have legitimately enjoy experiencing all four seasons. And in cities with good public transit systems (like Chicago and Minneapolis) the damper of driving in crappy weather isn't as present.

dahfizz 6y ago
As a new englander, I can confirm that it's really nice to have weather and seasons. It would be boring if every day all year was the same.
nightski 6y ago
Agreed, winter has its hardships but having lived in the south I'd never give up winter, fall, and spring ever again. Winter is my second favorite season after fall.
asdff 6y ago
When I moved from the midwest to southern california, everyone told me I would get bored of the lack of seasons. What a load of crock. There are seasons here and they are quite distinct. The summer is dry and hot, but it's much more pleasant being out and about in 95* weather with no humidity than 85* after a july thunderstorm in the midwest with humidity you can cut with a knife. I only sweat when I do cardio, whereas in the midwest you could be drenched in sweat sitting in the shade in that humidity. The fall still happens, you can still drive 45 minutes to an apple orchard and see beautiful fall scenery and get your pumpkins and pick your apples, because there are massive mountain ranges nearby. Winter weather here is perfect fall weather everywhere else. 60-70 degrees by day and light jacket and jeans weather by night. Winter is also the rainy season, so you will see some dramatic storms and very interesting fog and mist, and the hills will turn to emerald green while the midwest enters its 6 months of brown mud, salt, and dirty snow phase. Things are in bloom all year at different times, but the spring brings on the jacaranda season, and the region erupts into purple. I've never seen a more glorious spring. As a former midwestern transit user, crappy weather doesn't go away once you are on transit. You still have to hoof it through the snow to and from your stop and wait for the vehicle which is far worse than driving door to door and spending maybe 30 seconds on each end outside. The vehicles aren't adequately heated. Plus no one ever plowed the sidewalks in the morning, so you are blazing your own trail through the slush, getting your feet wet if you weren't prepared with Sorels.

phkahler 6y ago

You gotta get away from that lake-effect snow. Detroit area winters dont get that, but the western half of the state does. Chicago and Wisconsin are colder but offer clearer skies in the winter, as moisture and heat are picked up from the water as the weather moves west to east.

qualitydrew 6y ago

Former Buffalo resident in Colorado right now - I've been attracted back to the area due to climate change for the most part. The Great Lakes are the one part of the country that will get (relatively) more habitable in the next ~100 years [0]. Even today, I'd happily trade 6 months of snow and clouds for breathable air year-round. [0] https://projects.propublica.org/climate-migration/ https://projects.propublica.org/climate-migration/