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The height difference owes a lot to nutrition and the long-term living standards of the different countries. I bet the height difference in Koreans between the

The height difference owes a lot to nutrition and the long-term living standards of the different countries. I bet the height difference in Koreans between the different generations alive today is quite different from one another. As for Olympics 100 years ago. Are you for real? Most of Asia was under the thumb of Imperialism. They weren’t exactly positioned to “send their best”. How many African nations participated in 1920? Another continent dealing with Imperialism.

rsynnott 6y ago
> I bet the height difference in Koreans between the different generations alive today is quite different from one another. Also quite different between the Koreas. While the average height in both has increased significantly since the Japanese occupation, it has done so significantly faster in South Korea (as you'd expect, given the economic difference).
- nobodyandproud 6y ago
  Exactly. Look at the average height by age group. https://www.statista.com/statistics/935212/south-korea-average-height-men-by-age-group/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/935212/south-korea-avera... A 12 cm (or 4/5 inch) difference. Amazingly enough, not too far different from the NK to SK average height difference.
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hnracer 6y ago
The height difference between racial groups has a significant genetic component. Asian Americans are 8cm shorter than White Americans, despite being about equally wealthy. This means that Asians are, on average, genetically disadvantaged when it comes to performance in, for example, basketball - meaning they are less likely to produce a star basketball player, all else equal, because there are less extremely tall Asians as a percentage of the population. If we can't agree on this central claim then our differences are irreconcilable. I understand that culture, nutrition, etc, makes a difference, and I don't dispute that, my only claim is that the genetics of race is playing a causal role here.
- nobodyandproud 6y ago
  You realize that much of Asia in modern times has only enjoyed first world lifestyles in the past 30 years? That’s not to say that there aren’t genetic differences, but every “evidence” I’ve seen brought up has jumped the gun.
  - hnracer 6y ago
    In the post you responded to, I was talking about Asian Americans which have similar wealth to White Americans and earn 38 percent more than the national median income. Asian Americans are 6cm shorter than Black Americans who earn much less than the national median. Thus their smaller average height can't be attributed to nutritional deficiency or wealth factors, and can only be explained by genetics.
    - nobodyandproud 6y ago
      Does your data differentiate between: - Naturalization vs native born? - Multi-generation height changes? - The differences in physical activities? - Diet differences? I think East Asians tend to be lactose intolerant. Once all things are made equal, then how does the data look?

rsynnott 6y ago

> I bet the height difference in Koreans between the different generations alive today is quite different from one another. Also quite different between the Koreas. While the average height in both has increased significantly since the Japanese occupation, it has done so significantly faster in South Korea (as you'd expect, given the economic difference).

nobodyandproud 6y ago
Exactly. Look at the average height by age group. https://www.statista.com/statistics/935212/south-korea-average-height-men-by-age-group/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/935212/south-korea-avera... A 12 cm (or 4/5 inch) difference. Amazingly enough, not too far different from the NK to SK average height difference.

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hnracer 6y ago

The height difference between racial groups has a significant genetic component. Asian Americans are 8cm shorter than White Americans, despite being about equally wealthy. This means that Asians are, on average, genetically disadvantaged when it comes to performance in, for example, basketball - meaning they are less likely to produce a star basketball player, all else equal, because there are less extremely tall Asians as a percentage of the population. If we can't agree on this central claim then our differences are irreconcilable. I understand that culture, nutrition, etc, makes a difference, and I don't dispute that, my only claim is that the genetics of race is playing a causal role here.

nobodyandproud 6y ago
You realize that much of Asia in modern times has only enjoyed first world lifestyles in the past 30 years? That’s not to say that there aren’t genetic differences, but every “evidence” I’ve seen brought up has jumped the gun.
- hnracer 6y ago
  In the post you responded to, I was talking about Asian Americans which have similar wealth to White Americans and earn 38 percent more than the national median income. Asian Americans are 6cm shorter than Black Americans who earn much less than the national median. Thus their smaller average height can't be attributed to nutritional deficiency or wealth factors, and can only be explained by genetics.
  - nobodyandproud 6y ago
    Does your data differentiate between: - Naturalization vs native born? - Multi-generation height changes? - The differences in physical activities? - Diet differences? I think East Asians tend to be lactose intolerant. Once all things are made equal, then how does the data look?