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It tells you something when FBI and NSA spied on a presidential campaign, the guy they spied on _won_, and absolutely nobody was charged with anything, let alon

by m0zg 6y ago

It tells you something when FBI and NSA spied on a presidential campaign, the guy they spied on _won_, and absolutely nobody was charged with anything, let alone convicted. This is some Watergate++ grade shit, and there are no repercussions at all. Imagine what they could do to you and I.

ausbah 6y ago
The FBI instantiated investigations against several individuals in the Trump campaign in 2016-2017 due to suspected ties between them and the Russian government. [0] Of those investigated, all but one were convicted - not of collusion, but for lying to investigators and obstruction among other things. However I think insinuating a lack of oversight or ulterior political motives is wrong. A counter-investigation by Trump's DoJ found that the initial motives for the investigation were solid, but did note a number of errors made in the process. In fact, one FBI lawyer who lied during the investigation has been charged. [1] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossfire_Hurricane_(FBI_investigation) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossfire_Hurricane_(FBI_inves... [1] https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/18/politics/horowitz-hearing-russia-report-carter-page/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/18/politics/horowitz-hearing-rus...
- m0zg 6y ago
  CNN is not a legitimate news source.
  - tehwebguy 6y ago
    Your reductive opinion of CNN does not change the underlying facts that OP stated.
    - m0zg 6y ago
      It kinda does, though. The "Trump's DOJ" investigation into these matters is not over. In fact it's barely entering its active phase, with declassifications etc. Charges won't be pressed until after election at this point, but there certainly will be charges. Yet if you only watch CNN, you could be misled into believing that the Obama FBI was beyond reproach and it's all over by now.
tehwebguy 6y ago
> and absolutely nobody was charged with anything, let alone convicted Actually a lot has happened with this story since 2016, it looks like 34 different people and 3 companies were charged and either plead guilty or were convicted. I am curious though, what is the news source that lead you to believe otherwise?
- m0zg 6y ago
  I think you misunderstood what I said. That spying was ordered based on fake "intelligence" fabricated by foreign actors (and then further distorted by deep state actors such as Strzok) and paid for by the Clinton campaign. My argument is that everyone involved in that should be in prison. Strzok, Page, and Brennan at a minimum. The reason why you don't know about any of this is because it doesn't get covered in left-wing media: https://web.ground.news/article/b9a0e58b-3c08-4623-9b93-478616f95bb0/dni-declassifies-brennan-notes-cia-memo-on-hillary-clinton-stirring-up-scandal-between-trump-russia https://web.ground.news/article/b9a0e58b-3c08-4623-9b93-4786.... At all.

by m0zg 6y ago

ausbah 6y ago

The FBI instantiated investigations against several individuals in the Trump campaign in 2016-2017 due to suspected ties between them and the Russian government. [0] Of those investigated, all but one were convicted - not of collusion, but for lying to investigators and obstruction among other things. However I think insinuating a lack of oversight or ulterior political motives is wrong. A counter-investigation by Trump's DoJ found that the initial motives for the investigation were solid, but did note a number of errors made in the process. In fact, one FBI lawyer who lied during the investigation has been charged. [1] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossfire_Hurricane_(FBI_investigation) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossfire_Hurricane_(FBI_inves... [1] https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/18/politics/horowitz-hearing-russia-report-carter-page/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/18/politics/horowitz-hearing-rus...

m0zg 6y ago
CNN is not a legitimate news source.
- tehwebguy 6y ago
  Your reductive opinion of CNN does not change the underlying facts that OP stated.
  - m0zg 6y ago
    It kinda does, though. The "Trump's DOJ" investigation into these matters is not over. In fact it's barely entering its active phase, with declassifications etc. Charges won't be pressed until after election at this point, but there certainly will be charges. Yet if you only watch CNN, you could be misled into believing that the Obama FBI was beyond reproach and it's all over by now.

tehwebguy 6y ago

> and absolutely nobody was charged with anything, let alone convicted Actually a lot has happened with this story since 2016, it looks like 34 different people and 3 companies were charged and either plead guilty or were convicted. I am curious though, what is the news source that lead you to believe otherwise?

m0zg 6y ago
I think you misunderstood what I said. That spying was ordered based on fake "intelligence" fabricated by foreign actors (and then further distorted by deep state actors such as Strzok) and paid for by the Clinton campaign. My argument is that everyone involved in that should be in prison. Strzok, Page, and Brennan at a minimum. The reason why you don't know about any of this is because it doesn't get covered in left-wing media: https://web.ground.news/article/b9a0e58b-3c08-4623-9b93-478616f95bb0/dni-declassifies-brennan-notes-cia-memo-on-hillary-clinton-stirring-up-scandal-between-trump-russia https://web.ground.news/article/b9a0e58b-3c08-4623-9b93-4786.... At all.