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Obligatory XKCD: https://xkcd.com/2030/ https://xkcd.com/2030/

by Moru 6y ago

dzhiurgis 6y ago
My phone has NFC hardware. My national Id, passport and drivers licence has NFC chip. Most people have a bank card with NFC. It's a bit shit they didn't put a hardware button (like YubiKeys do) on them, but. That's pretty much blockchain as far as I am concerned.
- notRobot 6y ago
  > That's pretty much blockchain as far as I am concerned. Elaborate?
  - polynomial 6y ago
    This is my new favorite quote.
  - dzhiurgis 6y ago
    Cryptographically signed transactions...
- snovv_crash 6y ago
  I've seen NFC cards the thickness of a standard credit card with built in capacitive touch keypads, 7-segment displays and even finger print readers. The only reason these haven't been rolled out is cost and that the current system is "good enough".
  - dzhiurgis 6y ago
    I don't think you need any of that. Just a capacitive sensor to enable the card is enough. Pure contactless was a mistake as anyone can use it remotely.
    - snovv_crash 6y ago
      I'd honestly like a PIN for high value transactions, and the value of the transaction to be displayed on the card. The reason is that the terminal is untrusted hardware from my perspective, it would be easy for someone to sneak in a fake display for wrong values, or do PIN harvesting.
swiley 6y ago
Until almost everyone can audit the software themselves computerized voting defeats the point of having a democracy.
- rbecker 6y ago
  So you audit the software. Then you enter the voting booth, and there's a voting machine in front of you. Bet your democracy it's running the same software?
  - Shared404 6y ago
    Pretty sure they were advocating for using physical ballots, not voting machines.
    - pmoriarty 6y ago
      I got a physical ballot last time I voted, but when I went to submit it, it was placed in to... an electronic vote counting machine. This also defeats the point of democracy. Machines can not and should not be trusted for voting, no matter what fancy schemes are dreamt up for to make them supposedly verifiable. Voting can not be legitimate unless machines are taken completely out of the loop and humans are the ones doing all the vote counting by hand from end-to-end. Yes, there can still be fraud, but it will of necessity be quite limited and relatively easy to detect than if voting and/or vote counting was done by electronic means.
      - bloodorange 6y ago
        A well known instance supporting your case: https://www.ndi.org/e-voting-guide/examples/constitutionality-of-electronic-voting-germany https://www.ndi.org/e-voting-guide/examples/constitutionalit...
        Shared404 6y ago
        I concur with you both, I badly phrased what I was trying to say. Thanks for saying it properly.
dt3ft 6y ago
..but they fixed it with blockchain!!!!! xD
Chris2048 6y ago
To be fair, they ask two specific kinds of engineer for the first two, then ask a "software engineer". hmm. they might as well ask a "hardware engineer" about aircrafts and elevators.
retox 6y ago
Can someone please make a browser add-in to hides any comment, on any site, that contains a xkcd link; they're almost always low quality.

Obligatory XKCD: https://xkcd.com/2030/ https://xkcd.com/2030/

by Moru 6y ago

Obligatory XKCD: https://xkcd.com/2030/ https://xkcd.com/2030/

My phone has NFC hardware. My national Id, passport and drivers licence has NFC chip. Most people have a bank card with NFC. It's a bit shit they didn't put a hardware button (like YubiKeys do) on them, but. That's pretty much blockchain as far as I am concerned.

notRobot 6y ago
> That's pretty much blockchain as far as I am concerned. Elaborate?
- polynomial 6y ago
  This is my new favorite quote.
- dzhiurgis 6y ago
  Cryptographically signed transactions...
snovv_crash 6y ago
I've seen NFC cards the thickness of a standard credit card with built in capacitive touch keypads, 7-segment displays and even finger print readers. The only reason these haven't been rolled out is cost and that the current system is "good enough".
- dzhiurgis 6y ago
  I don't think you need any of that. Just a capacitive sensor to enable the card is enough. Pure contactless was a mistake as anyone can use it remotely.
  - snovv_crash 6y ago
    I'd honestly like a PIN for high value transactions, and the value of the transaction to be displayed on the card. The reason is that the terminal is untrusted hardware from my perspective, it would be easy for someone to sneak in a fake display for wrong values, or do PIN harvesting.

swiley 6y ago

Until almost everyone can audit the software themselves computerized voting defeats the point of having a democracy.

rbecker 6y ago
So you audit the software. Then you enter the voting booth, and there's a voting machine in front of you. Bet your democracy it's running the same software?
- Shared404 6y ago
  Pretty sure they were advocating for using physical ballots, not voting machines.
  - pmoriarty 6y ago
    I got a physical ballot last time I voted, but when I went to submit it, it was placed in to... an electronic vote counting machine. This also defeats the point of democracy. Machines can not and should not be trusted for voting, no matter what fancy schemes are dreamt up for to make them supposedly verifiable. Voting can not be legitimate unless machines are taken completely out of the loop and humans are the ones doing all the vote counting by hand from end-to-end. Yes, there can still be fraud, but it will of necessity be quite limited and relatively easy to detect than if voting and/or vote counting was done by electronic means.
    - bloodorange 6y ago
      A well known instance supporting your case: https://www.ndi.org/e-voting-guide/examples/constitutionality-of-electronic-voting-germany https://www.ndi.org/e-voting-guide/examples/constitutionalit...
      - Shared404 6y ago
        I concur with you both, I badly phrased what I was trying to say. Thanks for saying it properly.

dt3ft 6y ago

..but they fixed it with blockchain!!!!! xD

Chris2048 6y ago

To be fair, they ask two specific kinds of engineer for the first two, then ask a "software engineer". hmm. they might as well ask a "hardware engineer" about aircrafts and elevators.

retox 6y ago

Can someone please make a browser add-in to hides any comment, on any site, that contains a xkcd link; they're almost always low quality.