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So, misconceptions and generalizations then? I don't understand how you can make sweeping generalizations about every desktop environment that runs on Linux. E

So, misconceptions and generalizations then? I don't understand how you can make sweeping generalizations about every desktop environment that runs on Linux. Every DE is an afterthought? Just the fact you call them "Linux GUIs" makes me question how much you have even used any DE with Linux. I spend no time writing system config files. Drivers are part of the kernel, so I also spend zero time on that. Brand-new laptop hardware sometimes takes a while to get support, but it is really easy to check before you buy. It is perfectly OK to prefer a padded, walled garden. Just like it is OK to prefer a modular OSS Linux environment where everything is knowable. Nobody needs to be "right", and nobody needs to bash the other with unsubstantiated claims.

grishka 6y ago
I do, of course, know that there are many DEs and window managers. I generalize them quite purposefully. The point I'm trying to make is that on Linux, there are hardly any well-defined standards for anything beyond system calls. There also are no UI guidelines and there's no single accepted UI toolkit (some apps use Qt, some apps use GTK, some use something else). This leads to overall subpar user experience. Many apps have UIs that make you think before you do something with it. A good UI doesn't make you think, it feels like a continuation of your thoughts right when you see it for the first time. Consistency helps a lot here. (FWIW, the way GUI apps feel and behave doesn't depend much on your choice of desktop environment.) I don't like walled gardens — I despise Apple's service ecosystem and the app store. I just prefer things to work sensibly out of the box. The only reason I made an Apple ID is because it won't let me download Xcode without one.
- LockAndLol 6y ago
  OK, a few questions: - Why do you think are there so many different DEs, window managers and UI frameworks out there? - How would you go about introducing one singular UI and UX across all of Linux? - How would you foster competition and innovation in that space? - Why do you think Apple is able to define and (somewhat) enforce their standards?

grishka 6y ago

I do, of course, know that there are many DEs and window managers. I generalize them quite purposefully. The point I'm trying to make is that on Linux, there are hardly any well-defined standards for anything beyond system calls. There also are no UI guidelines and there's no single accepted UI toolkit (some apps use Qt, some apps use GTK, some use something else). This leads to overall subpar user experience. Many apps have UIs that make you think before you do something with it. A good UI doesn't make you think, it feels like a continuation of your thoughts right when you see it for the first time. Consistency helps a lot here. (FWIW, the way GUI apps feel and behave doesn't depend much on your choice of desktop environment.) I don't like walled gardens — I despise Apple's service ecosystem and the app store. I just prefer things to work sensibly out of the box. The only reason I made an Apple ID is because it won't let me download Xcode without one.

LockAndLol 6y ago
OK, a few questions: - Why do you think are there so many different DEs, window managers and UI frameworks out there? - How would you go about introducing one singular UI and UX across all of Linux? - How would you foster competition and innovation in that space? - Why do you think Apple is able to define and (somewhat) enforce their standards?