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This reminds me of developers talking about the git CLI. At some point you have to stop blaming the users.

by rudedogg 6y ago

rvba 6y ago
I dont know what is your point? Defending guy who wrote an useless story, how he used Excel once, didn't know what he is doing so something went wrong and then his conclusion is that Excel sucks? Millions of people use the program every day, it has its own fair share of problems (like everything), but if random Karens in any corporation can learn how to use it, then you should expect the same from a random programmer on hacker news. Also, the irrelevancy of the story is comical ("I dont like it, so it must be bad!")
- Ma8ee 6y ago
  Random Karens don't create complex spreadsheets. They copy paste numbers into a spreadsheet someone else has created for them.
  - rvba 6y ago
    The person above was making a home budget (and failed) - which also is not a complex spreadsheet. Also, you could probably find 10 different templates in google.
hinkley 6y ago
I wish I could remember the movie (it appears to be a reference to Al Capone, of all people), but there's a scene that gave me the tingles. The leading man, about to exact some revenge, turns to the antagonist and says, "You've mistaken my kindness for weakness." If I worked at a mental health technician I'd be complaining about how bad the system is for trauma survivors and neuro-atypical individuals. But I'm not. I'm a developer who has focused on - or been forced to look at - people struggling with User- and Developer-Experience issues for much of my career. If I'm talking to you about your struggles, you get sympathy. If I'm talking about policy, or policy makers, I'm going to give you a taste of what my 'customers' have to go through every day. And I'm not going to feel a bit sorry about it. If you dismiss it, we may have a problem.

4 ms·

This reminds me of developers talking about the git CLI. At some point you have to stop blaming the users.

by rudedogg 6y ago

This reminds me of developers talking about the git CLI. At some point you have to stop blaming the users.

rvba 6y ago
I dont know what is your point? Defending guy who wrote an useless story, how he used Excel once, didn't know what he is doing so something went wrong and then his conclusion is that Excel sucks? Millions of people use the program every day, it has its own fair share of problems (like everything), but if random Karens in any corporation can learn how to use it, then you should expect the same from a random programmer on hacker news. Also, the irrelevancy of the story is comical ("I dont like it, so it must be bad!")
- Ma8ee 6y ago
  Random Karens don't create complex spreadsheets. They copy paste numbers into a spreadsheet someone else has created for them.
  - rvba 6y ago
    The person above was making a home budget (and failed) - which also is not a complex spreadsheet. Also, you could probably find 10 different templates in google.
hinkley 6y ago
I wish I could remember the movie (it appears to be a reference to Al Capone, of all people), but there's a scene that gave me the tingles. The leading man, about to exact some revenge, turns to the antagonist and says, "You've mistaken my kindness for weakness." If I worked at a mental health technician I'd be complaining about how bad the system is for trauma survivors and neuro-atypical individuals. But I'm not. I'm a developer who has focused on - or been forced to look at - people struggling with User- and Developer-Experience issues for much of my career. If I'm talking to you about your struggles, you get sympathy. If I'm talking about policy, or policy makers, I'm going to give you a taste of what my 'customers' have to go through every day. And I'm not going to feel a bit sorry about it. If you dismiss it, we may have a problem.