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> What does this mean for drivers with disabilities? You mention ADHD and Turrets; a leg-disabled person (e.g. paralyzed waste down) can still drive just fine,

> What does this mean for drivers with disabilities? You mention ADHD and Turrets; a leg-disabled person (e.g. paralyzed waste down) can still drive just fine, special hand-operated equipment is installed to a car to allow the hands to take over for the foot pedals. By design this driver may be looking down frequently at their controls (let's assume not everyone is a pro driver yet and knows them by heart) which could easily be misconstrued as looking down at a mobile phone, placing immediate bias against them on video before the facts of hand-controls are revealed in court.

bdamm 6y ago
While I agree with the concern, I think there's almost zero chance that a neural net trained on people looking at phones would classify a driver looking at hand controls as that same thing. The neural net would more likely have another classification of "unknown attention", being unable to conclusively classify the driver's attention.
hnarn 6y ago
Since you have both now misspelled the name of the neurological disorder, I feel obliged to point out that it’s spelled Tourette's syndrome.
- gravitas 6y ago
  My apologies - I did not spell check the cut&paste as I should have done, my bad. No slight meant.
dbcurtis 6y ago
> By design this driver may be looking down frequently at their controls Actually not, for hand controls. No more than you look at the pedals. It goes into muscle memory just as much. I have been a passenger with two different hand-control drivers. Both were as smooth as a driver using foot pedals. I once moved their car for one of them —- in a tiny town on a quiet street, for about 5 blocks at low speed. It was difficult for me — zero muscle memory and zero “feel” for the car. It does take some practice, I will give you that, but you never have to look at the lever, even as a noob.
- hombre_fatal 6y ago
  Besides, I don't think there's any more comfort or lessened stakes to be had knowing that the driver that t-boned your kid was looking down at their prosthetic leg or custom controls instead of a smartphone. Or in the middle of an autistic break or epileptic fit or attention deficit fugue or narcoleptic episode. Fine, the software's enum value of "EYES_DOWN" doesn't quite capture the domain of nuance of all the reasons eyes might be down. But it doesn't necessarily matter.

bdamm 6y ago

While I agree with the concern, I think there's almost zero chance that a neural net trained on people looking at phones would classify a driver looking at hand controls as that same thing. The neural net would more likely have another classification of "unknown attention", being unable to conclusively classify the driver's attention.

hnarn 6y ago

Since you have both now misspelled the name of the neurological disorder, I feel obliged to point out that it’s spelled Tourette's syndrome.

gravitas 6y ago
My apologies - I did not spell check the cut&paste as I should have done, my bad. No slight meant.

dbcurtis 6y ago

> By design this driver may be looking down frequently at their controls Actually not, for hand controls. No more than you look at the pedals. It goes into muscle memory just as much. I have been a passenger with two different hand-control drivers. Both were as smooth as a driver using foot pedals. I once moved their car for one of them —- in a tiny town on a quiet street, for about 5 blocks at low speed. It was difficult for me — zero muscle memory and zero “feel” for the car. It does take some practice, I will give you that, but you never have to look at the lever, even as a noob.

hombre_fatal 6y ago
Besides, I don't think there's any more comfort or lessened stakes to be had knowing that the driver that t-boned your kid was looking down at their prosthetic leg or custom controls instead of a smartphone. Or in the middle of an autistic break or epileptic fit or attention deficit fugue or narcoleptic episode. Fine, the software's enum value of "EYES_DOWN" doesn't quite capture the domain of nuance of all the reasons eyes might be down. But it doesn't necessarily matter.