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By all means take protective measures when interacting with American police, but by no means should this expectation of submission be considered normal in a dev

By all means take protective measures when interacting with American police, but by no means should this expectation of submission be considered normal in a developed country. Not should it be assumed to offer much protection; US police are sufficiently trigger-happy that they'll kill people even for following their commands. American police kill 35 people per ten million population; in Canada that figure is 9.7. In Europe, the UK, Australia, NZ, and Japan, that figure is under 4.[0] The problem with American policing is the police, not the fact that too many Americans 'lunge' for cell phones during police stops. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_by_law_enforcement_officers_by_country https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_by_law_enforc...

WalterBright 6y ago
It would be fair to compare that with statistics on how many cops are killed by civilians. Also consider the wildly different statistics on gun possession in the populations.
bobwall 6y ago
Could be the problem in America is the drug problem, the glorification of the drug culture, the glorification of gangsters, the glorification of violence in sports and video games. I wouldn't put these issues squarely on the police officers in our country. When the number one hit record in your country is WAP (I'll let you look up that one), maybe the policing isn't your biggest problem.
- bleepblorp 6y ago
  To an extent. Ultimately, the US problem is insecure employment, bullshit jobs, income inequality, and multiple generations of compounding wealth inequality. People without opportunity turn to destructive behaviors, including glorifying gangsters because they are the only people they see in their neighborhoods who have any kind of wealth or self-determination. Poor communities didn't turn into the kind of places you describe until after the jobs went away. I do not see this as a racial issue, however. Poor communities in the US have broadly similar attitudes, and social problems, regardless of their ethnic identity. That problem hit urban African American communities many decades ago and is hitting rural white communities now. People need money and personally meaningful work. Unless they have it, things go wrong. When people don't have it for generations, ghettos and violence are what you get.

WalterBright 6y ago

It would be fair to compare that with statistics on how many cops are killed by civilians. Also consider the wildly different statistics on gun possession in the populations.

bobwall 6y ago

Could be the problem in America is the drug problem, the glorification of the drug culture, the glorification of gangsters, the glorification of violence in sports and video games. I wouldn't put these issues squarely on the police officers in our country. When the number one hit record in your country is WAP (I'll let you look up that one), maybe the policing isn't your biggest problem.

bleepblorp 6y ago
To an extent. Ultimately, the US problem is insecure employment, bullshit jobs, income inequality, and multiple generations of compounding wealth inequality. People without opportunity turn to destructive behaviors, including glorifying gangsters because they are the only people they see in their neighborhoods who have any kind of wealth or self-determination. Poor communities didn't turn into the kind of places you describe until after the jobs went away. I do not see this as a racial issue, however. Poor communities in the US have broadly similar attitudes, and social problems, regardless of their ethnic identity. That problem hit urban African American communities many decades ago and is hitting rural white communities now. People need money and personally meaningful work. Unless they have it, things go wrong. When people don't have it for generations, ghettos and violence are what you get.