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> You ignored the entire premise. Yeah, seems so. I've re-read the original message now. Here are two thoughts for your consideration: - This is a discussion

by hvis 6y ago

> You ignored the entire premise. Yeah, seems so. I've re-read the original message now. Here are two thoughts for your consideration: - This is a discussion about FLOSS projects' lives and their maintainers' experiences. Given that your approach is an outlier, your observations don't have a lot of relevance to an average FLOSS project. Nor, as a consequence, does the opinion of "who owes who". - Consider, in abstract, two projects. One has only bug reports from actual, motivated users. Another has 10% of bug reports from its users and 90% of "drive-by" bug reports. Starting with a certain size, I think you can imagine how the second project might have the maintainer overwhelmed, unmotivated, and/or spending a lot of time on code that is almost never run in production. Software is not math; there are always parts that are more used, and always some bugs that are ignored because they're non-trivial to fix, and the tradeoffs are not worth the developer's time. Unless you're DJB, I guess.

cxr 6y ago
This comment is rewriting the premise again. > This is a discussion about FLOSS projects' lives and their maintainers' experiences. It's not. It's rooted at mjw1007's comment "When I file a bug report[…]" and, before that, the linked article where antirez deals with the same matter that I'm discussing. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24670700 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24670700 A later comment—the one that I responded to—tries to convince us to focus on the maintainer and sell the appreciation-as-compensation, maintainers-get-nothing, and, implicitly, the bug-reports-have-negative-value perspective that is pushed in the circles I referenced above. And that's the problem. As I wrote elsewhere, filing bug reports takes more effort than not filing them. By myopically portraying the maintainer as if they're a protagonist in some Gary Stu fanfic about the world, we end up with a take that fails to consider all the relevant details, and that's the attitude that antirez admonishes. Please revisit both the article and the comment linked above. (I'm not really interested in responding further to this conversation.)

by hvis 6y ago

cxr 6y ago

This comment is rewriting the premise again. > This is a discussion about FLOSS projects' lives and their maintainers' experiences. It's not. It's rooted at mjw1007's comment "When I file a bug report[…]" and, before that, the linked article where antirez deals with the same matter that I'm discussing. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24670700 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24670700 A later comment—the one that I responded to—tries to convince us to focus on the maintainer and sell the appreciation-as-compensation, maintainers-get-nothing, and, implicitly, the bug-reports-have-negative-value perspective that is pushed in the circles I referenced above. And that's the problem. As I wrote elsewhere, filing bug reports takes more effort than not filing them. By myopically portraying the maintainer as if they're a protagonist in some Gary Stu fanfic about the world, we end up with a take that fails to consider all the relevant details, and that's the attitude that antirez admonishes. Please revisit both the article and the comment linked above. (I'm not really interested in responding further to this conversation.)