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The chance of you dying from raw milk from the farm next door, consumed within a few days, is minute. Since that's what GP was talking about, I don't think they
by _-___________-_ 6y ago
The chance of you dying from raw milk from the farm next door, consumed within a few days, is minute. Since that's what GP was talking about, I don't think they're irresponsible for not mentioning dying.
Pasteurization is mandated because most people do not live next door to farms, so milk needs to travel and last more than a few days.
- throwaway189262 6y agoIMO this is a classic "no true scotsman". The CDC does not say anything about distance and time making raw milk any safer https://www.cdc.gov/foodsafety/rawmilk/raw-milk-questions-and-answers.html https://www.cdc.gov/foodsafety/rawmilk/raw-milk-questions-an... It kind of implies the opposite, that the bacteria don't need to multiply, they're already present. Have you seen studies that show most outbreaks are from bacteria multiplying in the milk rather than contamination at the source? Since even raw milk is promptly cooled which greatly slows bacterial reproduction, I find it more likely that all the contamination needed to cause sickness happens during processing.
- rusk 6y agoA throwaway declaring a rhetological fallacy - how LOL
- throwaway189262 6y agoI just don't want my identities connected. I talk too much smack about big tech on here to risk my career, sorry.
- rusk 6y agoYeah don’t be using tired debating tropes. It’s so boring to read at this stage and doesn’t sound as clever as it did 5 years ago. Stick to substance.
- _-___________-_ 6y agoThe concept of buying from the farmer next door doesn't only encapsulate less distance (meaning less time and fewer chances for the cold chain to be broken), but also an element of trust. You can view the facilities, and make a judgement about the cleanliness -- as you might in a restaurant before considering the beef tartare -- and you have likely been buying from this farmer for some time.
- schwartzworld 6y agoAh yes, using your expert knowledge of food safety practices and cow biology to tell if you are eventually going to consume contaminated milk. It's coming out of the tap contaminated. Food can be contaminated at any number of places along the supply chain, but I don't see how trust enters into it. It's like trusting that you won't be served a bad oyster, impossible to rule out at even the nicest, most "trustworthy" establishment.
- _-___________-_ 6y agoIf you think that non-experts can't make a judgement about food safety that, while not being perfect, is still useful, then I don't think we will agree about much.
- schwartzworld 6y agoI think that certain kinds of risks are just risks regardless of your "judgement". If you want to drink raw milk, that's cool, but don't kid yourself that you can tell the safety by the cut of the farmer's jib.
- _-___________-_ 6y agoIt's just not black and white like that. You can tell a lot of useful things about the food safety of an establishment by looking at it. If the farmer's equipment is filthy, or she keeps chickens in the same room she processes the milk, I'm probably not gonna drink milk from there. If it's all spotless, and there are clearly systems and processes being followed, I feel reasonably safe (I've been drinking raw milk most of my life and never once became ill from doing so). These kinds of risks are similar to the risks of eating beef tartare or oysters (things that I also do fairly regularly, including sometimes in developing countries!), and humans have been reasonably successfully managing these risks for a long time, meanwhile some other humans seem to massively overstate the risks for some reason.