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> trying to (illegally) get a MacOS VM running, but gave up. I've tried this myself and failed. But I genuinely wonder, why you think this is illegal. I mean,

> trying to (illegally) get a MacOS VM running, but gave up. I've tried this myself and failed. But I genuinely wonder, why you think this is illegal. I mean, do you think that Apple's T&C are laws? I can't think of anything else that activity would be in violation of.

andrewmcwatters 6y ago
Breach of contract pertains to civil law.
drrotmos 6y ago
Apart from breach of contract (which is already mentioned), there’s also the practical issue of acquiring a license. Apple no longer sells licenses for macOS separately. This means that getting ahold of a macOS license without resorting to copyright infringement will be difficult.
- biryani_chicken 6y ago
  >breach of contract Does this matter if you never signed a contract with Apple in the first place?
  - OJFord 6y ago
    Ha. But then surely it's 'breach of copyright' or something, because you don't have a licence or otherwise permission to use the software.
  - Gaelan 6y ago
    You'd be "signing" the macOS EULA as part of the install process.
    - monadic2 6y ago
      This depends on where you live.
gradschool 6y ago
> I've tried this myself and failed. I failed at it too, but then some bright spark wrote this script that works like a charm. Bear in mind that the VM might be too slow for normal use. https://github.com/myspaghetti/macos-virtualbox https://github.com/myspaghetti/macos-virtualbox
- nisse72 6y ago
  Brilliant! I'll give this a try, thanks.
gaussian-guy 6y ago
You're right, T&C are not laws. They better figure this out and release some good VM support because I have very little interest in buying all of their stuff just so I can run my build. I did get the VM to work eventually and have been experimenting with builds on that. The VM is slow so I'm starting to lose interest in doing any more grunt work for an extra 10% of revenue. Ah, who am I kidding. I'll do it because I'm just as greedy as they are.

andrewmcwatters 6y ago

Breach of contract pertains to civil law.

drrotmos 6y ago

Apart from breach of contract (which is already mentioned), there’s also the practical issue of acquiring a license. Apple no longer sells licenses for macOS separately. This means that getting ahold of a macOS license without resorting to copyright infringement will be difficult.

biryani_chicken 6y ago
>breach of contract Does this matter if you never signed a contract with Apple in the first place?
- OJFord 6y ago
  Ha. But then surely it's 'breach of copyright' or something, because you don't have a licence or otherwise permission to use the software.
- Gaelan 6y ago
  You'd be "signing" the macOS EULA as part of the install process.
  - monadic2 6y ago
    This depends on where you live.

gradschool 6y ago

> I've tried this myself and failed. I failed at it too, but then some bright spark wrote this script that works like a charm. Bear in mind that the VM might be too slow for normal use. https://github.com/myspaghetti/macos-virtualbox https://github.com/myspaghetti/macos-virtualbox

nisse72 6y ago
Brilliant! I'll give this a try, thanks.

gaussian-guy 6y ago

You're right, T&C are not laws. They better figure this out and release some good VM support because I have very little interest in buying all of their stuff just so I can run my build. I did get the VM to work eventually and have been experimenting with builds on that. The VM is slow so I'm starting to lose interest in doing any more grunt work for an extra 10% of revenue. Ah, who am I kidding. I'll do it because I'm just as greedy as they are.