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> All "organic" means is that the farm the milk comes from does not use antibiotics to fight infections in cows.. In EU farmers must administer homeopathics to

> All "organic" means is that the farm the milk comes from does not use antibiotics to fight infections in cows.. In EU farmers must administer homeopathics to sick "organic" animals instead of antibiotics. https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-homeopathy-and-norwegian-vets/ https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-homeopathy-and-norwegian-vets...

rzwitserloot 6y ago
Did you, um, read the link? It basically shows that this isn't the text or intent of the law.
- dandare 6y ago
  Not sure if you are just trolling or malevolent on purpose. I did read the article and it literally says that is the intent and text of the law. Quote from the article: > More detailed rules from 2008 list products that should be preferred to medicine and antibiotics "provided that their therapeutic effect is effective". These include homeopathic products, but also various vitamins and compounds of mineral origin. Quote from the law: > Phytotherapeutic and homeopathic products, trace elements and products listed in [...] shall be used in preference to chemically-synthesised allopathic veterinary treatment or antibiotics, provided that their therapeutic effect is effective for the species of animal. Article 24, Section 1: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:02008R0889-20150101&qid=1427277713676&from=EN https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CEL... Let me borrow a quote from Tim Minchin: "By definition, Alternative Medicine has either not been proved to work, or been proved not to work. Do you know what they call Alternative medicine that's been proved to work? Medicine." So the EU law actually says that ignorant quackery (herbal medicine) and fraudulent for-profit quackery (homeopathy) shall be preferred to any natural or synthetic remedy that has been proved to be effective (allopathic = evidence based medicine).
PaulRobinson 6y ago
That’s not true.
- dandare 6y ago
  Unfortunately it is. See my quote from the law above.
mogadsheu 6y ago
EU organic milk comes from cows who are only allowed to be administered antibiotics if they get sick. Those cows are removed from the herd when sick, but are allowed to re-enter the organic herd after they are taken off the antibiotics.
- andylynch 6y ago
  I'm really surprised this isn't the standard everywhere. In NZ it's quite similar and very strict; if any trace of antibiotic is detected in a batch of milk it is rejected, and the offending farmer must pay for it (easily $1,000s, probably much more). Aside from the resistance issue, one reason for this is quite simple; antibiotics in the milk mean you can't make cheese with it. If a cow needs antibiotics, they are separated from the herd for a few days until they are clear (and also can't be slaughtered for meat for a longer period of time).
- dandare 6y ago
  Unfortunately the us of antibiotics in farming in EU is still widespread - will be curbed in 2022. https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/oct/25/european-parliament-approves-curbs-on-use-of-antibiotics-on-farm-animals https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/oct/25/european-par... But that does not mean the law should promote or enable quackery. See my other comment.
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rzwitserloot 6y ago

Did you, um, read the link? It basically shows that this isn't the text or intent of the law.

dandare 6y ago
Not sure if you are just trolling or malevolent on purpose. I did read the article and it literally says that is the intent and text of the law. Quote from the article: > More detailed rules from 2008 list products that should be preferred to medicine and antibiotics "provided that their therapeutic effect is effective". These include homeopathic products, but also various vitamins and compounds of mineral origin. Quote from the law: > Phytotherapeutic and homeopathic products, trace elements and products listed in [...] shall be used in preference to chemically-synthesised allopathic veterinary treatment or antibiotics, provided that their therapeutic effect is effective for the species of animal. Article 24, Section 1: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:02008R0889-20150101&qid=1427277713676&from=EN https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CEL... Let me borrow a quote from Tim Minchin: "By definition, Alternative Medicine has either not been proved to work, or been proved not to work. Do you know what they call Alternative medicine that's been proved to work? Medicine." So the EU law actually says that ignorant quackery (herbal medicine) and fraudulent for-profit quackery (homeopathy) shall be preferred to any natural or synthetic remedy that has been proved to be effective (allopathic = evidence based medicine).

PaulRobinson 6y ago

That’s not true.

dandare 6y ago
Unfortunately it is. See my quote from the law above.

mogadsheu 6y ago

EU organic milk comes from cows who are only allowed to be administered antibiotics if they get sick. Those cows are removed from the herd when sick, but are allowed to re-enter the organic herd after they are taken off the antibiotics.

andylynch 6y ago
I'm really surprised this isn't the standard everywhere. In NZ it's quite similar and very strict; if any trace of antibiotic is detected in a batch of milk it is rejected, and the offending farmer must pay for it (easily $1,000s, probably much more). Aside from the resistance issue, one reason for this is quite simple; antibiotics in the milk mean you can't make cheese with it. If a cow needs antibiotics, they are separated from the herd for a few days until they are clear (and also can't be slaughtered for meat for a longer period of time).
dandare 6y ago
Unfortunately the us of antibiotics in farming in EU is still widespread - will be curbed in 2022. https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/oct/25/european-parliament-approves-curbs-on-use-of-antibiotics-on-farm-animals https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/oct/25/european-par... But that does not mean the law should promote or enable quackery. See my other comment.

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