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I remember reading about what it’s actually like inside a cell - that it’s not the smooth and organised world you see in biology animations. It’s a mess of mole

I remember reading about what it’s actually like inside a cell - that it’s not the smooth and organised world you see in biology animations. It’s a mess of molecules moving around at hundreds of miles an hour. That’s what life is inside all our cells. Just a bunch of molecules bashing around randomly but because it’s all the right ingredients in there, the right things find each other and fit together and somehow it still works.

alistairw 6y ago
Yes I remember one of the most interesting examples I saw of this was with how actin and myosin gain motion in cells, there's enough stuff bashing around everywhere that the right chemical reactions cause them to take each step.
- jonplackett 6y ago
  It kinda makes it more amazing doesn't it? Before I read that i just had this totally false view of tiny-biology as this cold, organised place. But I really like the truth that it's chaotic and messy and powerful.
- laurent92 6y ago
  Silly question, but could that explain bad health? People who don’t enough sports don’t shake their cells enough, so they aren’t as functional? I know the usual explanation is blood circulation and organ maintenance, but did we think of looking intra-cell?
  - Jabbles 6y ago
    There may well be subcellular problems that cause all kinds of bad-health, but not being well-mixed is not one of them. Movement at the level of sports won't cause well-mixed cells - their fundamental frequencies are too different.
  - lovehashbrowns 6y ago
    That would make people who ride older rail trains (like Chicago's trains) regularly super healthy. People who ride horses would be super healthy, too. Train conductors. Anyone who does a lot of off-roading. Etc. Oh actually, people who have shaky legs would have disproportionately healthier legs than the rest of their body. But actually moving around a lot wouldn't make a difference if the bits in your cells are moving around at hundreds of miles per hour.
  - Erlich_Bachman 6y ago
    > but did we think of looking intra-cell? Yes, a lot of science has "thought of" at looking intra-cell. In fact, the explanation of "don't shake their cells enough" must be very fringe because I haven't heard it any one time before from any serious scientist or a health book etc. The human body is much more complicated, and the way we understand many of the functions of it, including healthy functions, are based on biochemistry, both intra-cell and throughout the body. Also "shaking the cells" can't even be that important physically, when you compare the speeds at which the limbs move during running to the base speeds of molecules inside the cell due to basic heat-based brownian motion.
AareyBaba 6y ago
This chart shows the known biochemical pathways in the cell. http://biochemical-pathways.com/#/map/1 http://biochemical-pathways.com/#/map/1
- koheripbal 6y ago
  worst spaghetti code ever
kens 6y ago
Yes, cells are extremely crowded and fast-moving inside. Molecules are moving at 250 miles per hour inside cells due to thermal motion, and a particular molecule collides with other molecules billions of times per second. When you see an animation of a cell, it's puzzling how the right molecule shows up in the right place. But in reality, a typical enzyme collides with something to react with 500,000 times per second just from random motion. I wrote a blog post discussing this in more detail: http://www.righto.com/2011/07/cells-are-very-fast-and-crowded-places.html http://www.righto.com/2011/07/cells-are-very-fast-and-crowde...
- galaxyLogic 6y ago
  I'm trying to visualize that in my mind. But what is BETWEEN the molecules? Vacuum?
  - christocracy 6y ago
    Isn’t it Cytoplasm? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cytoplasm https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cytoplasm
  - kens 6y ago
    Imagine a glass of water and all the water molecules in it. They are all touching (kind of) and constantly moving around. There is a bit of space between the molecules, the inter-molecular space, which is a vacuum. Keep in mind that the molecules aren't really touching since they aren't built from rigid spheres but have electron clouds. The water molecules repel each other if they get too close, but also attract each other via hydrogen bonds, so they are about 0.3 nm apart. (Compare to 3 nm semiconductor process node.) A cell is similar (since it is 60% water), but with many other types of molecules as well.
    - galaxyLogic 6y ago
      Thanks for the explanation. I guess the reason I find it hard to visualize is that we ordinarily think that 'vacuum sucks". If there is container which has been pumped empty of air and we make a hole in it it sucks in air. So it looks like empty/vacuum space "sucks" anything around in it. But that is obviously a misconception. Vacuum is not attracting anything, it is the fast moving molecules around it that PUSH themselves into the vacuum if we make a whole in the container. What makes it hard to visualize is that we don't see the fast-moving molecules ever, which are forcing themselves into the container through the pierced hole by the power of their own (tiny) momentum yet very fast speed. :-) It is also counter-intuitive that tiny things could have fast speeds, perhaps because we think in terms of a person being able to walk much faster than say an ant.
bibelo 6y ago
It looks random, but it's not. Were you to look at a car building company, you'd find some elements act randomly, when their actions are totally determined. The insides of the simplest cell are far more complicated than any production line.

alistairw 6y ago

Yes I remember one of the most interesting examples I saw of this was with how actin and myosin gain motion in cells, there's enough stuff bashing around everywhere that the right chemical reactions cause them to take each step.

jonplackett 6y ago
It kinda makes it more amazing doesn't it? Before I read that i just had this totally false view of tiny-biology as this cold, organised place. But I really like the truth that it's chaotic and messy and powerful.
laurent92 6y ago
Silly question, but could that explain bad health? People who don’t enough sports don’t shake their cells enough, so they aren’t as functional? I know the usual explanation is blood circulation and organ maintenance, but did we think of looking intra-cell?
- Jabbles 6y ago
  There may well be subcellular problems that cause all kinds of bad-health, but not being well-mixed is not one of them. Movement at the level of sports won't cause well-mixed cells - their fundamental frequencies are too different.
- lovehashbrowns 6y ago
  That would make people who ride older rail trains (like Chicago's trains) regularly super healthy. People who ride horses would be super healthy, too. Train conductors. Anyone who does a lot of off-roading. Etc. Oh actually, people who have shaky legs would have disproportionately healthier legs than the rest of their body. But actually moving around a lot wouldn't make a difference if the bits in your cells are moving around at hundreds of miles per hour.
- Erlich_Bachman 6y ago
  > but did we think of looking intra-cell? Yes, a lot of science has "thought of" at looking intra-cell. In fact, the explanation of "don't shake their cells enough" must be very fringe because I haven't heard it any one time before from any serious scientist or a health book etc. The human body is much more complicated, and the way we understand many of the functions of it, including healthy functions, are based on biochemistry, both intra-cell and throughout the body. Also "shaking the cells" can't even be that important physically, when you compare the speeds at which the limbs move during running to the base speeds of molecules inside the cell due to basic heat-based brownian motion.

AareyBaba 6y ago

This chart shows the known biochemical pathways in the cell. http://biochemical-pathways.com/#/map/1 http://biochemical-pathways.com/#/map/1

koheripbal 6y ago
worst spaghetti code ever

kens 6y ago

Yes, cells are extremely crowded and fast-moving inside. Molecules are moving at 250 miles per hour inside cells due to thermal motion, and a particular molecule collides with other molecules billions of times per second. When you see an animation of a cell, it's puzzling how the right molecule shows up in the right place. But in reality, a typical enzyme collides with something to react with 500,000 times per second just from random motion. I wrote a blog post discussing this in more detail: http://www.righto.com/2011/07/cells-are-very-fast-and-crowded-places.html http://www.righto.com/2011/07/cells-are-very-fast-and-crowde...

galaxyLogic 6y ago
I'm trying to visualize that in my mind. But what is BETWEEN the molecules? Vacuum?
- christocracy 6y ago
  Isn’t it Cytoplasm? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cytoplasm https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cytoplasm
- kens 6y ago
  Imagine a glass of water and all the water molecules in it. They are all touching (kind of) and constantly moving around. There is a bit of space between the molecules, the inter-molecular space, which is a vacuum. Keep in mind that the molecules aren't really touching since they aren't built from rigid spheres but have electron clouds. The water molecules repel each other if they get too close, but also attract each other via hydrogen bonds, so they are about 0.3 nm apart. (Compare to 3 nm semiconductor process node.) A cell is similar (since it is 60% water), but with many other types of molecules as well.
  - galaxyLogic 6y ago
    Thanks for the explanation. I guess the reason I find it hard to visualize is that we ordinarily think that 'vacuum sucks". If there is container which has been pumped empty of air and we make a hole in it it sucks in air. So it looks like empty/vacuum space "sucks" anything around in it. But that is obviously a misconception. Vacuum is not attracting anything, it is the fast moving molecules around it that PUSH themselves into the vacuum if we make a whole in the container. What makes it hard to visualize is that we don't see the fast-moving molecules ever, which are forcing themselves into the container through the pierced hole by the power of their own (tiny) momentum yet very fast speed. :-) It is also counter-intuitive that tiny things could have fast speeds, perhaps because we think in terms of a person being able to walk much faster than say an ant.

bibelo 6y ago

It looks random, but it's not. Were you to look at a car building company, you'd find some elements act randomly, when their actions are totally determined. The insides of the simplest cell are far more complicated than any production line.