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The ultimate solution is decentralized technologies that cannot be shutdown, because creating a centralized technology (website, app, product) will open you up

The ultimate solution is decentralized technologies that cannot be shutdown, because creating a centralized technology (website, app, product) will open you up to endless enforcement actions. It will take a long time but the people desire freedom, so over the longterm freedom will win out over coercion.

pjkundert 6y ago
Projects like holo.host are almost ready for production deployment (months, not years), and hold the promise of helping with this transition. Fully decentralized and distributed Holochain apps don’t even depend on DNS, so are even more resilient against freedom-hostile centralization. Yes - exciting times are coming!
- olleromam91 6y ago
  These projects always interest me. I understand that the technical portion of Holo apps will be decentralized, but what is being done to decentralize the governance of what is and isn't allowed on the Holo network itself?
  - pjkundert 6y ago
    The Holo project is a bridge between the centralized Web world, and the decentralized Holochain App world. Therefore, it will always have some aspects of centralization: real Fiat money exchange, DNS, CDNs, etc. If you want fully decentralized, you can build and deploy a straight Holochain app, which requires no centralized services at all, and is hosted totally on the hardware and networking of the users of the App.
sascha_sl 6y ago
Very few goods are purely digital, and for everything else you can still legislate participation in a system. You saw this happen on the internet, you'll see it happen in other distributed systems. You can't build an ancap dream non-state on top of an actual state. This is the same problem with blockchains finding actual use-cases. Tamper-proof decentralized structures are useless if they're not enforced, and if you need enforcement you likely have a much more nimble solution in place already that is good enough in the few properties blockchains excel in.
dTal 6y ago
That's all very well for "apps" etc. The vast majority of small businesses provide goods and services. You can't decentralize a grocery store, a restaurant, a factory. All the world isn't HN.

pjkundert 6y ago

Projects like holo.host are almost ready for production deployment (months, not years), and hold the promise of helping with this transition. Fully decentralized and distributed Holochain apps don’t even depend on DNS, so are even more resilient against freedom-hostile centralization. Yes - exciting times are coming!

olleromam91 6y ago
These projects always interest me. I understand that the technical portion of Holo apps will be decentralized, but what is being done to decentralize the governance of what is and isn't allowed on the Holo network itself?
- pjkundert 6y ago
  The Holo project is a bridge between the centralized Web world, and the decentralized Holochain App world. Therefore, it will always have some aspects of centralization: real Fiat money exchange, DNS, CDNs, etc. If you want fully decentralized, you can build and deploy a straight Holochain app, which requires no centralized services at all, and is hosted totally on the hardware and networking of the users of the App.

sascha_sl 6y ago

Very few goods are purely digital, and for everything else you can still legislate participation in a system. You saw this happen on the internet, you'll see it happen in other distributed systems. You can't build an ancap dream non-state on top of an actual state. This is the same problem with blockchains finding actual use-cases. Tamper-proof decentralized structures are useless if they're not enforced, and if you need enforcement you likely have a much more nimble solution in place already that is good enough in the few properties blockchains excel in.

dTal 6y ago

That's all very well for "apps" etc. The vast majority of small businesses provide goods and services. You can't decentralize a grocery store, a restaurant, a factory. All the world isn't HN.