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Is there a country with balanced gender ratios in STEM employment? I wasn’t aware of such

by baskire 6y ago

cnorthwood 6y ago
India is closer to 60/40 versus the 80/20 in most western nations
- noetokyo 6y ago
  Yea but that doesn't mean anything when 99% of them can't find jobs.
brabel 6y ago
There is one, actually: Algeria... also, Oman and Morocco are not far behind! This is according to this[1] report from Plan International Norway (whose author's "focus is on gender, technology and social justice"), which has the objective of finding ways to actually increase the participation of girls in STEM in Scandinavian countries, where their participation, paradoxically, is just about the average of the world at around 30% female, against 19% in the USA. From the paper itself: "More recently, Stoet and Geary’s (2018) paper on the «gender equality paradox» demonstrated that, perhaps surprisingly, the more «gender equal» a country is, the larger the gender gap in STEM education and careers." Despite that statistic, the Scientific American[2] claims that this is NOT due to women choosing differently than mean, but because "Early in school, teachers’ unconscious biases subtly push girls away from STEM". I don't know how they came up with this conclusion (they link to a paper[3] correlating student's mothers biases with the student's later choices - which is NOT what they had just claimed and seems to only weakly give the argument any substance), but that goes directly against the new research we're discussing, which seems to point to the exact opposite conclusion. [1] https://www.telenor.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/The-Gender-Gap-in-Technology-in-Scandinavia_Full-report.pdf https://www.telenor.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/The-Gende... [2] https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/voices/countries-with-less-gender-equity-have-more-women-in-stem-huh/ https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/voices/countries-with-l... [3] https://www.researchgate.net/publication/232604569_Achievement_in_Math_and_Science_Do_Mothers'_Beliefs_Matter_12_Years_Later https://www.researchgate.net/publication/232604569_Achieveme...

Is there a country with balanced gender ratios in STEM employment? I wasn’t aware of such

cnorthwood 6y ago

India is closer to 60/40 versus the 80/20 in most western nations

noetokyo 6y ago
Yea but that doesn't mean anything when 99% of them can't find jobs.

brabel 6y ago

There is one, actually: Algeria... also, Oman and Morocco are not far behind! This is according to this[1] report from Plan International Norway (whose author's "focus is on gender, technology and social justice"), which has the objective of finding ways to actually increase the participation of girls in STEM in Scandinavian countries, where their participation, paradoxically, is just about the average of the world at around 30% female, against 19% in the USA. From the paper itself: "More recently, Stoet and Geary’s (2018) paper on the «gender equality paradox» demonstrated that, perhaps surprisingly, the more «gender equal» a country is, the larger the gender gap in STEM education and careers." Despite that statistic, the Scientific American[2] claims that this is NOT due to women choosing differently than mean, but because "Early in school, teachers’ unconscious biases subtly push girls away from STEM". I don't know how they came up with this conclusion (they link to a paper[3] correlating student's mothers biases with the student's later choices - which is NOT what they had just claimed and seems to only weakly give the argument any substance), but that goes directly against the new research we're discussing, which seems to point to the exact opposite conclusion. [1] https://www.telenor.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/The-Gender-Gap-in-Technology-in-Scandinavia_Full-report.pdf https://www.telenor.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/The-Gende... [2] https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/voices/countries-with-less-gender-equity-have-more-women-in-stem-huh/ https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/voices/countries-with-l... [3] https://www.researchgate.net/publication/232604569_Achievement_in_Math_and_Science_Do_Mothers'_Beliefs_Matter_12_Years_Later https://www.researchgate.net/publication/232604569_Achieveme...