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Replacing the arbitrariness of the monarch with the arbitrariness of institutions is a step forward in terms of diluting responsibility. Next up: machine driven

Replacing the arbitrariness of the monarch with the arbitrariness of institutions is a step forward in terms of diluting responsibility. Next up: machine driven decision making.

kevin_thibedeau 6y ago
> Next up: machine driven decision making. We already have that when you buy something and a security alarm goes off as you leave the store. You are assumed to be a criminal because a machine said so.
- gruez 6y ago
  >You are assumed to be a criminal because a machine said so. Not really. At least where I live, the false positive rates are high enough that people would walk right past, or the employees would wave them through because they're holding store branded bags. A more egregious example would be the algorithmic bail systems that some states are deploying.
  - srtjstjsj 6y ago
    Bail has been algorithmic for many years, based on previous offenses and seriousness of crime. The new horror is machine learning algorithms that make decisions based on hidden inappropriate discriminatory factors.
- xnyan 6y ago
  Other way around for me. I'm going to home depot regularly for various home projects and the alarm goes off almost every time when I exit. I have never gotten anything more than a bored looking sales associate casually waving at me to keep walking out.
  - kevin_thibedeau 6y ago
    Try walking out of the Manhattan store without their goon insisting on a receipt check after you've been forced to operate the register yourself.
    - srtjstjsj 6y ago
      That's illegal so you might get a nice settlement if you press your rights and the "goon" assaults you.
raincom 6y ago
They don't want to use the word 'arbitrariness'. Instead, they say "discretion". Discretion helps institutions make right decisions, they say.
Consultant32452 6y ago
Our current representative system is a land line way of thinking in a mobile phone world. This fixed number of representatives and seasonal elections is nonsense. I should be able to change representatives with the same ease I can change my cell phone carrier. Once we get there, then let's worry about whether the representative I choose is a human or an AI.

Replacing the arbitrariness of the monarch with the arbitrariness of institutions is a step forward in terms of diluting responsibility. Next up: machine driven decision making.

kevin_thibedeau 6y ago

> Next up: machine driven decision making. We already have that when you buy something and a security alarm goes off as you leave the store. You are assumed to be a criminal because a machine said so.

gruez 6y ago
>You are assumed to be a criminal because a machine said so. Not really. At least where I live, the false positive rates are high enough that people would walk right past, or the employees would wave them through because they're holding store branded bags. A more egregious example would be the algorithmic bail systems that some states are deploying.
- srtjstjsj 6y ago
  Bail has been algorithmic for many years, based on previous offenses and seriousness of crime. The new horror is machine learning algorithms that make decisions based on hidden inappropriate discriminatory factors.
xnyan 6y ago
Other way around for me. I'm going to home depot regularly for various home projects and the alarm goes off almost every time when I exit. I have never gotten anything more than a bored looking sales associate casually waving at me to keep walking out.
- kevin_thibedeau 6y ago
  Try walking out of the Manhattan store without their goon insisting on a receipt check after you've been forced to operate the register yourself.
  - srtjstjsj 6y ago
    That's illegal so you might get a nice settlement if you press your rights and the "goon" assaults you.

raincom 6y ago

They don't want to use the word 'arbitrariness'. Instead, they say "discretion". Discretion helps institutions make right decisions, they say.

Consultant32452 6y ago

Our current representative system is a land line way of thinking in a mobile phone world. This fixed number of representatives and seasonal elections is nonsense. I should be able to change representatives with the same ease I can change my cell phone carrier. Once we get there, then let's worry about whether the representative I choose is a human or an AI.