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If Assange isn't being pardoned for the nonsensical "crime" of exposing war crimes by the US Government, there is no chance that Snowden will be pardoned. Snowd

If Assange isn't being pardoned for the nonsensical "crime" of exposing war crimes by the US Government, there is no chance that Snowden will be pardoned. Snowden willingly stole state secrets whereas Assange only published. Still, when you consider that Snowden is living in Russia, essentially free, and Assange is in a 3.5x2m cell, I don't think Snowden has anything to worry about, except that the royalties from his book will be taken away....but he has his freedom. https://www.npr.org/2020/10/01/919261319/court-rules-edward-snowden-must-pay-more-than-5-million-from-memoir-and-speeches https://www.npr.org/2020/10/01/919261319/court-rules-edward-...

chiefalchemist 6y ago
As I understand it, the USA isn't after Assange for publishing, mainly because other (friends of the state?) entities have done similar (e.g., NY Times). Assange is being charged with conspiracy to steal said secrets. That is, he was a participant in the "theft." Uncle Sans case isn't focused on the publishing. Again, as I understand it (which I believe is based on other comments from previous threads on HN).
cryptica 6y ago
They should both be pardoned. They committed no crime. The public has the right to know what their governments are doing using their money.
- HashingtheCode 6y ago
  > They have committed no crime Not true. Assange hasn't committed a crime but Snowden has committed a crime of theft from the NSA; unlawfully retaining a National Security Agency (NSA) documents containing information classified at the TOP SECRET/SENSITIVE COMPARTMENTED INFORMATION (TS/SCI) level. Let me clarify. What he did in exposing PRISM was fantastic, the people had a right to know, absolutely, but, the act in itself was still stealing. It's no different to any other theft. When you work for a company and you steal, you can be prosecuted. We can argue from two points; moral and legal. Morally he did the right thing. Legally he did not. The difference between Assange and Snowden is vast. Assange is a published of information, no different to The Guardian. He did not steal the data he published. Snowden did, as did Chelsea Manning when he stole the known as Cable Gate. The point in the article is that the OP thinks Snowden should receive a pardon. My point, is that Assange hasn't even been pardoned for his supposed crime of publishing. If Assange hasn't been pardoned for a lesser crime, then what hope does Snowden have of being pardoned for an actual crime of data theft from the NSA? Another lady stole data from the NSA. SHe is now facing prosecution and 10 years. https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/west-virginia-woman-admits-willful-retention-top-secret-national-defense-information-and https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/west-virginia-woman-admits-wi...
bobwall 6y ago
He sort of has his freedom, if you consider life within Putin's Russia containing freedom.
- sgt 6y ago
  In Putin Russia, freedom has you!
- HashingtheCode 6y ago
  As far as we know, he is free to travel through all of Russia. That's a lot of freedom

chiefalchemist 6y ago

As I understand it, the USA isn't after Assange for publishing, mainly because other (friends of the state?) entities have done similar (e.g., NY Times). Assange is being charged with conspiracy to steal said secrets. That is, he was a participant in the "theft." Uncle Sans case isn't focused on the publishing. Again, as I understand it (which I believe is based on other comments from previous threads on HN).

cryptica 6y ago

They should both be pardoned. They committed no crime. The public has the right to know what their governments are doing using their money.

HashingtheCode 6y ago
> They have committed no crime Not true. Assange hasn't committed a crime but Snowden has committed a crime of theft from the NSA; unlawfully retaining a National Security Agency (NSA) documents containing information classified at the TOP SECRET/SENSITIVE COMPARTMENTED INFORMATION (TS/SCI) level. Let me clarify. What he did in exposing PRISM was fantastic, the people had a right to know, absolutely, but, the act in itself was still stealing. It's no different to any other theft. When you work for a company and you steal, you can be prosecuted. We can argue from two points; moral and legal. Morally he did the right thing. Legally he did not. The difference between Assange and Snowden is vast. Assange is a published of information, no different to The Guardian. He did not steal the data he published. Snowden did, as did Chelsea Manning when he stole the known as Cable Gate. The point in the article is that the OP thinks Snowden should receive a pardon. My point, is that Assange hasn't even been pardoned for his supposed crime of publishing. If Assange hasn't been pardoned for a lesser crime, then what hope does Snowden have of being pardoned for an actual crime of data theft from the NSA? Another lady stole data from the NSA. SHe is now facing prosecution and 10 years. https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/west-virginia-woman-admits-willful-retention-top-secret-national-defense-information-and https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/west-virginia-woman-admits-wi...

bobwall 6y ago

He sort of has his freedom, if you consider life within Putin's Russia containing freedom.

sgt 6y ago
In Putin Russia, freedom has you!
HashingtheCode 6y ago
As far as we know, he is free to travel through all of Russia. That's a lot of freedom