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Why does a bar need to collect those logs if you could just make internet providers collect those?

by heavenlyblue 6y ago

ComodoHacker 6y ago
Providers record where you go, the bar records who you are.
- heavenlyblue 6y ago
  But practically when I do this in the UK I can leave any information I want including my neighbour’s name and then start Googling for “bomb design at home without getting caught”
  - unicornfinder 6y ago
    Not to mention VPNs exist
DavideNL 6y ago
Perhaps because bars can also store the devices MAC address which helps identify it... (recent iOS devices use random MAC addresses by the way for improved privacy in which case i think this wouldn't help/identify a device anymore.)
- netsharc 6y ago
  Randomized MAC addresses is a neat idea, it also helps bust through the time limits of free WiFi that only give you something like 30 minutes per day (because they use the MAC to identify if you've used up your 30 minutes).
- xaqfox 6y ago
  Android version 10 or over uses randomized MAC adresses by default, as well.
  - PostPlummer 6y ago
    No they don't. Just like iOS they use these randoms when scanning, NOT when connected (static IP's would otherwise not work anymore).
    - ascom 6y ago
      iOS 14 adds actually random MAC addresses: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT211227 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT211227
      - PostPlummer 6y ago
        Thank you (and the other responder for the Android information too). I stand corrected.
    - fuster 6y ago
      The observed behavior on my Pixel is that it generates a new, random MAC whenever you connect to a new network. It reuses that MAC for that network going forward. It does not ever use the "real" MAC unless you specifically select that in the settings.
    - r1ch 6y ago
      https://source.android.com/devices/tech/connect/wifi-mac-randomization https://source.android.com/devices/tech/connect/wifi-mac-ran... > In Android 10, MAC randomization is enabled by default for client mode, SoftAp, and Wi-Fi Direct. It randomizes per-SSID, so you get a random MAC per SSID you remember on your phone, this ensures privacy while not breaking DHCP / static IP etc.
      - dylan604 6y ago
        What happens if you hit forget network? Does it also forget the MAC address for that network so you use a new MAC if you join the network again?
        6y ago

Why does a bar need to collect those logs if you could just make internet providers collect those?

ComodoHacker 6y ago

Providers record where you go, the bar records who you are.

heavenlyblue 6y ago
But practically when I do this in the UK I can leave any information I want including my neighbour’s name and then start Googling for “bomb design at home without getting caught”
- unicornfinder 6y ago
  Not to mention VPNs exist

DavideNL 6y ago

Perhaps because bars can also store the devices MAC address which helps identify it... (recent iOS devices use random MAC addresses by the way for improved privacy in which case i think this wouldn't help/identify a device anymore.)

netsharc 6y ago
Randomized MAC addresses is a neat idea, it also helps bust through the time limits of free WiFi that only give you something like 30 minutes per day (because they use the MAC to identify if you've used up your 30 minutes).
xaqfox 6y ago
Android version 10 or over uses randomized MAC adresses by default, as well.
- PostPlummer 6y ago
  No they don't. Just like iOS they use these randoms when scanning, NOT when connected (static IP's would otherwise not work anymore).
  - ascom 6y ago
    iOS 14 adds actually random MAC addresses: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT211227 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT211227
    - PostPlummer 6y ago
      Thank you (and the other responder for the Android information too). I stand corrected.
  - fuster 6y ago
    The observed behavior on my Pixel is that it generates a new, random MAC whenever you connect to a new network. It reuses that MAC for that network going forward. It does not ever use the "real" MAC unless you specifically select that in the settings.
  - r1ch 6y ago
    https://source.android.com/devices/tech/connect/wifi-mac-randomization https://source.android.com/devices/tech/connect/wifi-mac-ran... > In Android 10, MAC randomization is enabled by default for client mode, SoftAp, and Wi-Fi Direct. It randomizes per-SSID, so you get a random MAC per SSID you remember on your phone, this ensures privacy while not breaking DHCP / static IP etc.
    - dylan604 6y ago
      What happens if you hit forget network? Does it also forget the MAC address for that network so you use a new MAC if you join the network again?
      - 6y ago