This is comparing apples and oranges, considering the diversity of ethnicities in the US. This study [0] is more precise for this type of argument. "Canada has

This is comparing apples and oranges, considering the diversity of ethnicities in the US. This study [0] is more precise for this type of argument. "Canada has the most downward mobility while the U.S. has the least, with Sweden in the middle." Interestingly, upward mobility seems to have a much lower variance. [0] https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0927537114000530 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S09275... > Who has ever claimed it is a utopia? Everyone who thinks the US is the evil capitalist empire inhabited by armed lunatics, while the EU is a cozy socialist fluffy-zone without drawbacks. The difference in job opportunities, economic dynamics and average income, to those people, is unexplainable. They see no contradiction to think this way while posting on HN, founded by a VC. They think the only reason one could arrive at certain political and economical opinions is to be an uncaring asshole, while the reality is that the difference stems from another view of how certain beneficial goals are accomplished. The problem is that a lot of the things that work well in practise on nation-level scale are counter-intuitive and thus unpopular, while things that sound good often have disastrous side-effects. I have seen the communist eastern europe after the fall of the iron curtain, it was a horrific sight.