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I'm sorry but this is just hippy nonsense. It's not the lack of mental integration into nature that is stopping us from taking care of the enverionment. And you

I'm sorry but this is just hippy nonsense. It's not the lack of mental integration into nature that is stopping us from taking care of the enverionment. And you don't need to trip on mushrooms to see the filth all arround us. The real issues include: not being able to stop production and consumption for obvious reasons. Energy production and distribution logistics. Understanding natural ecosystems and setting priorities on how to protect them. Sharing the world with neighbours that can outcompete you because they don't pay the high costs of clean industry. And many more real hard problems, not just a state of mind. tldr: this article is the equivalent of "why can't we all just get along" plan for world peace.

quantumwoke 6y ago
I find it best to argue in good faith when coming to these kinds of low-data conversations. There are obviously many such factors involved in our integration with the environment. Why couldn't it be psilocybin (or other nootropic compound) that pushes us towards a more sustainable future with fewer mental health/chronic pain issues? This is a classic HN takedown of an otherwise interesting post.
- Ygg2 6y ago
  It's still the argument based on consumption. Let's consume X, surely that will sort our issue of emitting too much CO2. Edit: not to mention. Our environmental problems aren't consumption or conscience, or even technology based, but lack of political will.
  - defterGoose 6y ago
    Saying the problem isn't related to consumption is just willfully obtuse and wrong.
    - Ygg2 6y ago
      This magical mushroom needs to be distributed to people, right? And they need to be grown, right? Unless they are grown in Narnia and transported via teleportation, they are going to cause CO2 emissions, for dubious gains. His argument was - it made me believe in unity with nature, ergo it will work on everyone. Also here is an unverified study.
  - animal_spirits 6y ago
    Why do you think there is a lack of political will? Is it possible that these kinds of conscious altering plants can change the ideals of politicians to not be solely focused on playing the political game in order to continue to work? I think its more than worth exploring alternatives to allow the people who rule us to have an expanded conscious on how they can impact the lives of the people in their communities. Many people who have taken psychedelics, especially psilocybin have claimed it is a life changing experience for the better.
    - notahacker 6y ago
      > Why do you think there is a lack of political will? I'm going to go out on a limb and say because getting countries as diverse as the US, China and Saudi Arabia to consent to shutting down the industrialised world and people to accept not having nice things is incredibly difficult, and carbon capture solutions which might be more politically palatable are less proven plays a bigger role in the climate continuing to change than politicians not taking psychedelic drugs.
      - animal_spirits 6y ago
        I see your point, and agree that getting high off mushrooms isn't going to solve the climate crisis. Most people aren't arguing that instead of continuing to pursue renewable energy we should just take mushrooms instead. But I would argue that psychedelic use, when done appropriately and carefully, can be a catalyst for changing collective ideologies that have lead us to the dangerous path that we are on.
- lostmsu 6y ago
  I don't see how psylocybin is any different than cucumbers or alternative medicine, unless we confirm otherwise with rigorous studies. While they might be out there, this piece is not one of them.
- notahacker 6y ago
  > I find it best to argue in good faith when coming to these kinds of low-data conversations. Nobody on here would say the same about arguments in favour of the magical power of acai berry, and I see no reason why we should treat even more extraordinary zero-data claims of a 'self taught, uncredentialled' guy who sells mushroom based supplements for a living[1] with a greater degree of deference. There's actual research going on into psychedelics potentially benefiting people with depression or Alzheimers, but we don't need to put people explaining that mass consumption of psychoactives is a viable alternative to industrialisation and will create more Einsteins on the same pedestal [1]https://fungi.com/pages/about-us https://fungi.com/pages/about-us
  - realce 6y ago
    Acai Berries don't make you think you can feel the atomic bonds in the molecules of your body.
vmception 6y ago
The article was an interview with a headline chosen by someone else. The points were about appreciating biodiversity and neurogenesis and it was very interesting. The headline was hyperbole and successful.
akvadrako 6y ago
> And you don't need to trip on mushrooms to see the filth all arround us. For you. A lot of people don't see what's around them on a daily basis, good or bad. Mushrooms can help with that since they remove a lot of the filters we have built up.
- TheAdamAndChe 6y ago
  We put in filters as an adaptation to help live in such an environment. If we remove those filters for things that we can't change, won't it make everyone needlessly miserable?
  - marksbrown 6y ago
    Perhaps or it can allow you to see what is holding you back. Many assumptions are rooted below conscious thought and it can be useful to bring them to the fore.
  - trabant00 6y ago
    And I wondered - for example - why people push back when I point out what a shit hole of a city we live in. Thanks for the perspective.
  - vmception 6y ago
    > If we remove those filters for things that we can't change, won't it make everyone needlessly miserable? Perceived as Normal: People do not see the world for what it is and need to rationalize pleasant things to motivate their continual participation in it and expect others to do the same. One aspect of depression: People see the world for what is is and can no longer rationalize pleasant things to motivate their continual participation in it. High functioning: People see the world for what it is and have no need to rationalize pleasant things to motivate their continue participation in it and leverage the observation that others need and expect a continual illusion. We are not all the same and perhaps more people can be higher functioning.
- benibela 6y ago
  An example of useless filters: today I spent like 15 minutes searching for my teapot on my kitchen bench. I did not find it. Later I walked in my kitchen and immediately spotted the teapot. It was standing next to the kettle in the middle of the kitchen bench, the same place where it has been standing for the last 2 years...

quantumwoke 6y ago

I find it best to argue in good faith when coming to these kinds of low-data conversations. There are obviously many such factors involved in our integration with the environment. Why couldn't it be psilocybin (or other nootropic compound) that pushes us towards a more sustainable future with fewer mental health/chronic pain issues? This is a classic HN takedown of an otherwise interesting post.

Ygg2 6y ago
It's still the argument based on consumption. Let's consume X, surely that will sort our issue of emitting too much CO2. Edit: not to mention. Our environmental problems aren't consumption or conscience, or even technology based, but lack of political will.
- defterGoose 6y ago
  Saying the problem isn't related to consumption is just willfully obtuse and wrong.
  - Ygg2 6y ago
    This magical mushroom needs to be distributed to people, right? And they need to be grown, right? Unless they are grown in Narnia and transported via teleportation, they are going to cause CO2 emissions, for dubious gains. His argument was - it made me believe in unity with nature, ergo it will work on everyone. Also here is an unverified study.
- animal_spirits 6y ago
  Why do you think there is a lack of political will? Is it possible that these kinds of conscious altering plants can change the ideals of politicians to not be solely focused on playing the political game in order to continue to work? I think its more than worth exploring alternatives to allow the people who rule us to have an expanded conscious on how they can impact the lives of the people in their communities. Many people who have taken psychedelics, especially psilocybin have claimed it is a life changing experience for the better.
  - notahacker 6y ago
    > Why do you think there is a lack of political will? I'm going to go out on a limb and say because getting countries as diverse as the US, China and Saudi Arabia to consent to shutting down the industrialised world and people to accept not having nice things is incredibly difficult, and carbon capture solutions which might be more politically palatable are less proven plays a bigger role in the climate continuing to change than politicians not taking psychedelic drugs.
    - animal_spirits 6y ago
      I see your point, and agree that getting high off mushrooms isn't going to solve the climate crisis. Most people aren't arguing that instead of continuing to pursue renewable energy we should just take mushrooms instead. But I would argue that psychedelic use, when done appropriately and carefully, can be a catalyst for changing collective ideologies that have lead us to the dangerous path that we are on.
lostmsu 6y ago
I don't see how psylocybin is any different than cucumbers or alternative medicine, unless we confirm otherwise with rigorous studies. While they might be out there, this piece is not one of them.
notahacker 6y ago
> I find it best to argue in good faith when coming to these kinds of low-data conversations. Nobody on here would say the same about arguments in favour of the magical power of acai berry, and I see no reason why we should treat even more extraordinary zero-data claims of a 'self taught, uncredentialled' guy who sells mushroom based supplements for a living[1] with a greater degree of deference. There's actual research going on into psychedelics potentially benefiting people with depression or Alzheimers, but we don't need to put people explaining that mass consumption of psychoactives is a viable alternative to industrialisation and will create more Einsteins on the same pedestal [1]https://fungi.com/pages/about-us https://fungi.com/pages/about-us
- realce 6y ago
  Acai Berries don't make you think you can feel the atomic bonds in the molecules of your body.

vmception 6y ago

The article was an interview with a headline chosen by someone else. The points were about appreciating biodiversity and neurogenesis and it was very interesting. The headline was hyperbole and successful.

akvadrako 6y ago

> And you don't need to trip on mushrooms to see the filth all arround us. For you. A lot of people don't see what's around them on a daily basis, good or bad. Mushrooms can help with that since they remove a lot of the filters we have built up.

TheAdamAndChe 6y ago
We put in filters as an adaptation to help live in such an environment. If we remove those filters for things that we can't change, won't it make everyone needlessly miserable?
- marksbrown 6y ago
  Perhaps or it can allow you to see what is holding you back. Many assumptions are rooted below conscious thought and it can be useful to bring them to the fore.
- trabant00 6y ago
  And I wondered - for example - why people push back when I point out what a shit hole of a city we live in. Thanks for the perspective.
- vmception 6y ago
  > If we remove those filters for things that we can't change, won't it make everyone needlessly miserable? Perceived as Normal: People do not see the world for what it is and need to rationalize pleasant things to motivate their continual participation in it and expect others to do the same. One aspect of depression: People see the world for what is is and can no longer rationalize pleasant things to motivate their continual participation in it. High functioning: People see the world for what it is and have no need to rationalize pleasant things to motivate their continue participation in it and leverage the observation that others need and expect a continual illusion. We are not all the same and perhaps more people can be higher functioning.
benibela 6y ago
An example of useless filters: today I spent like 15 minutes searching for my teapot on my kitchen bench. I did not find it. Later I walked in my kitchen and immediately spotted the teapot. It was standing next to the kettle in the middle of the kitchen bench, the same place where it has been standing for the last 2 years...