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> China has some horrible concentration camp problems that we, as a western country upholding ideals of freedom, want them to change and we need more pressure

> China has some horrible concentration camp problems that we, as a western country upholding ideals of freedom, want them to change and we need more pressure I mean, it would be ironic if they would give this reasoning, considering the fact that the US currently has its own version of concentration camps which we, as western countries upholding ideals of freedom, should want to change.

Aachen 6y ago
I'm not actually aware of the USA having concentration camps specifically. I know of some human rights issues, though, so for the sake of argument I'll assume this is a thing. Nevertheless, hypocritical or not, it would be better (from a worldsuck perspective) to decrease these issues in China than to not do that. And isn't the issue much more widespread in China than in the USA? Looking for "concentration camp USA" on DDG, just to make sure we're talking about the same thing, it comes up with some site about customs and border patrol stations where refugees are imprisoned in for-profit facilities. Is that what you are referring to?
- lixtra 6y ago
  I guess GP is talking about Guantanamo Bay and Abu Ghraib like prisons. While you can argue if you call that a concentration camp, it’s strange how fast people forget.
  - Aachen 6y ago
    I know of Guantanamo but did people have to work there? From my impression it was a prison, not a labor camp, but it has been a few years so I might be fuzzy on the details.
    - fvdessen 6y ago
      Guantanamo is a torture camp. For the forced labor, look at the private prison industry.
- Can_Not 6y ago
  > I'm not actually aware of the USA having concentration camps specifically. "Concentration camps" is the exact and precise term for what the USA has. "Extermination camps" are the ones we probably don't have.
pmlnr 6y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
baskire 6y ago
The us does not currently have a concentration camp. If they do please let us all know so we can put a stop to it. On the flip side. The CCP has been committing a genocide by UN standards and has previously admitted to organ harvesting.
- kradeelav 6y ago
  Most likely what the post was referring to: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_detention_in_the_United_States#Criticisms https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_detention_in_the_U...
  - baskire 6y ago
    Which is not a concentration camp.
oh_sigh 6y ago
Concentration camp in China = your race and religion mean you get a free invite you just can't say no to! Concentration camp in America = break the law by entering the country illegally and need to be processed before you're deported. Those things do not sound at all similar.
- guerrilla 6y ago
  > Concentration camp in China = your race and religion mean you get a free invite you just can't say no to! Seems pretty similar in the US for black people, being 12% of the population yet 33% of the prison population while white people are 63% of the population and only 30% of the prison population. [1] Are all 12 million Uyghurs in camps? Or is it also a disproportionate amount like in the US? Estimates say about 3 million are in camps, so about 25%. So, statistically anyway, the US seems a bit worse so far. > Concentration camp in America = break the law by entering the country illegally and need to be processed before you're deported. A concentration camp is a concentration camp regardless of the justification. [1]. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/05/06/share-of-black-white-hispanic-americans-in-prison-2018-vs-2006/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/05/06/share-of-bl...

Aachen 6y ago

I'm not actually aware of the USA having concentration camps specifically. I know of some human rights issues, though, so for the sake of argument I'll assume this is a thing. Nevertheless, hypocritical or not, it would be better (from a worldsuck perspective) to decrease these issues in China than to not do that. And isn't the issue much more widespread in China than in the USA? Looking for "concentration camp USA" on DDG, just to make sure we're talking about the same thing, it comes up with some site about customs and border patrol stations where refugees are imprisoned in for-profit facilities. Is that what you are referring to?

lixtra 6y ago
I guess GP is talking about Guantanamo Bay and Abu Ghraib like prisons. While you can argue if you call that a concentration camp, it’s strange how fast people forget.
- Aachen 6y ago
  I know of Guantanamo but did people have to work there? From my impression it was a prison, not a labor camp, but it has been a few years so I might be fuzzy on the details.
  - fvdessen 6y ago
    Guantanamo is a torture camp. For the forced labor, look at the private prison industry.
Can_Not 6y ago
> I'm not actually aware of the USA having concentration camps specifically. "Concentration camps" is the exact and precise term for what the USA has. "Extermination camps" are the ones we probably don't have.

pmlnr 6y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

baskire 6y ago

The us does not currently have a concentration camp. If they do please let us all know so we can put a stop to it. On the flip side. The CCP has been committing a genocide by UN standards and has previously admitted to organ harvesting.

kradeelav 6y ago
Most likely what the post was referring to: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_detention_in_the_United_States#Criticisms https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_detention_in_the_U...
- baskire 6y ago
  Which is not a concentration camp.

oh_sigh 6y ago

Concentration camp in China = your race and religion mean you get a free invite you just can't say no to! Concentration camp in America = break the law by entering the country illegally and need to be processed before you're deported. Those things do not sound at all similar.

guerrilla 6y ago
> Concentration camp in China = your race and religion mean you get a free invite you just can't say no to! Seems pretty similar in the US for black people, being 12% of the population yet 33% of the prison population while white people are 63% of the population and only 30% of the prison population. [1] Are all 12 million Uyghurs in camps? Or is it also a disproportionate amount like in the US? Estimates say about 3 million are in camps, so about 25%. So, statistically anyway, the US seems a bit worse so far. > Concentration camp in America = break the law by entering the country illegally and need to be processed before you're deported. A concentration camp is a concentration camp regardless of the justification. [1]. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/05/06/share-of-black-white-hispanic-americans-in-prison-2018-vs-2006/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/05/06/share-of-bl...