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It would be pretty easy for them to convince themselves that collecting this data would be helpful for loss-prevention, keeping quotas up, whatever. It doesn’t

It would be pretty easy for them to convince themselves that collecting this data would be helpful for loss-prevention, keeping quotas up, whatever. It doesn’t even have to be true. Many employers take advantage of the power they have over employees. The real outrage to me is how this is definitely happening in the US and we have no way to combat it.

whimsicalism 6y ago
I mean even labor laws on the book are hardly enforced in the United States.
- NikolaeVarius 6y ago
  Please present evidence of this assertion.
  - sevencolors 6y ago
    Have you ever had a non-office job? Literally everyone that’s worked in any service or retail industry can tell you horror stories. Supervisors routinely break labor laws and abuse their position in the name of “getting shit done”. Most of it is so minor it’s not worth risking your job to complain. And when something big happens and you say something to higher ups you get brushed off. If you’re lucky your boss might pay attention and then eventually the jerk breaking the laws gets fired.
    - colejohnson66 6y ago
      Theoretically, that’s when you make an anonymous report to your state’s Labor Board or OSHA and they come investigate. But in reality, some state’s don’t care.
    - NikolaeVarius 6y ago
      I've worked in the retail, food service, concert lighting business. I've had no issues with any of them.
  - whimsicalism 6y ago
    Imagine if we put even one iota of the effort we put into fighting petty theft & drug crime into fighting employer crime. About equal amounts of money are stolen through wage theft as through petty property crime. Yet you don't see law enforcement going undercover as workers to make sure that labor laws aren't being violated. It's pretty clear that even if we have the laws on the books, the issues that affect affluent people more are going to be the ones that police prioritize. It is not uncommon to have OSHA ignored or have your boss tell you that if you try to unionize, "we'll fire all of you." Even eliminating the two-party consent requirement for workplace audio recording would do a ton for workers rights, but of course there is no desire among the professional/managerial class to do that.

whimsicalism 6y ago

I mean even labor laws on the book are hardly enforced in the United States.

NikolaeVarius 6y ago
Please present evidence of this assertion.
- sevencolors 6y ago
  Have you ever had a non-office job? Literally everyone that’s worked in any service or retail industry can tell you horror stories. Supervisors routinely break labor laws and abuse their position in the name of “getting shit done”. Most of it is so minor it’s not worth risking your job to complain. And when something big happens and you say something to higher ups you get brushed off. If you’re lucky your boss might pay attention and then eventually the jerk breaking the laws gets fired.
  - colejohnson66 6y ago
    Theoretically, that’s when you make an anonymous report to your state’s Labor Board or OSHA and they come investigate. But in reality, some state’s don’t care.
  - NikolaeVarius 6y ago
    I've worked in the retail, food service, concert lighting business. I've had no issues with any of them.
- whimsicalism 6y ago
  Imagine if we put even one iota of the effort we put into fighting petty theft & drug crime into fighting employer crime. About equal amounts of money are stolen through wage theft as through petty property crime. Yet you don't see law enforcement going undercover as workers to make sure that labor laws aren't being violated. It's pretty clear that even if we have the laws on the books, the issues that affect affluent people more are going to be the ones that police prioritize. It is not uncommon to have OSHA ignored or have your boss tell you that if you try to unionize, "we'll fire all of you." Even eliminating the two-party consent requirement for workplace audio recording would do a ton for workers rights, but of course there is no desire among the professional/managerial class to do that.