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I want a smart TV so I can access Netflix, Amazon Prime, Disney+ etc. right from the TV and don't need a separate device for it. Many people suggest buying a d

by ascar 6y ago

I want a smart TV so I can access Netflix, Amazon Prime, Disney+ etc. right from the TV and don't need a separate device for it. Many people suggest buying a dumb tv and then an apple tv. The problem is, now I have two devices and instead of trusting [TV manufacturer] I have to trust Apple. I don't see a big gain in it and also don't consider Apple to be especially trustworthy. [TV manufacturer] should just sell me a smart tv without customer hostile "features".

jon-wood 6y ago
With a standalone smart box connected via HDMI if it becomes obsolete, or you want to use different software it’s just that which needs replacing. With a smart TV the entire display has to be replaced, to no real benefit.
- Mindwipe 6y ago
  Not really. Why not just use the TV until it becomes obsolete then buy a box if you have to?
  - patrickk 6y ago
    Often the TV box apps run better, gets obsoleted much more slowly and you can customise it much more easily than your smart TV (e.g. you are out of options if your TV doesn't support some new streaming service). I have a random, no-name Android TV box and it's one of the best value for money devices I've gotten in years - covers every single streaming service, has IPTV, web browser, and any other conceivable option you'd want in a TV box. You can add a VPN trivially, use it as a music client for LMS....and so on. Plus it doesn't have unblockable ads covering half the screen like recent Samsung TVs.
ryukafalz 6y ago
> [TV manufacturer] should just sell me a smart tv without customer hostile "features". Unfortunately there are basically zero TV manufacturers who will do this.
- bsanr2 6y ago
  I think it would be extremely interesting if the thing that got tech nerds to get on board, politically, with the notion that a single company doesn't have to have a monopoly for consumers to be hurt by "market standards" was, uh, smart TVs with too many ads.
- katbyte 6y ago
  High end Sony sets seem to be pretty customer friendly
- dkdk8283 6y ago
  Commercial displays have no ads, but also typically ship with minimal software and fewer inputs.
strawberrypuree 6y ago
Apple TV doesn't include ads, and doesn't sell your viewing habits to third parties who create profiles of you. [0] Your TV manufacturer does. [0]https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/en-ww/ https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/en-ww/
- tuatoru 6y ago
  Yet. You forgot "yet". Apples shareholders will one day be keen to achieve the second trillion dollars on the company's valuation.
  - strawberrypuree 6y ago
    I'm not as pessimistic as all that, but I agree that vigilance is necessary. The good thing about going with the external box solution is that as if the company doesn't align with your values on this issue, you can unplug it and install something else. If that something else exists, of course.
kspacewalk2 6y ago
>[TV manufacturer] should just sell me a smart tv without customer hostile "features". The price will be much higher then. Right now, you're sold the tv at a discount (at a loss, I'm pretty sure) because the manufacturer will make money off you down the road by stealing and selling your data to advertisers. It's kind of like with social media (though to a lesser degree) - don't make the mistake of thinking of yourself exclusively as a customer. You're a product, too. Their advertising partners are the true customers.
- ascar 6y ago
  I somehow doubt that argument. My 65" smart TV cost about $2000. My advertisement worth as a user is how much? Maybe about $30 per year like a Facebook user [1] (which I would think is to high for Samsungs model)? That's $150 to $300 over the lifespan of the device. I don't consider these extra 15% sooo much higher. It's within the range of regular retail discounts. [1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/234056/facebooks-average-advertising-revenue-per-user/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/234056/facebooks-average...

by ascar 6y ago

jon-wood 6y ago

With a standalone smart box connected via HDMI if it becomes obsolete, or you want to use different software it’s just that which needs replacing. With a smart TV the entire display has to be replaced, to no real benefit.

Mindwipe 6y ago
Not really. Why not just use the TV until it becomes obsolete then buy a box if you have to?
- patrickk 6y ago
  Often the TV box apps run better, gets obsoleted much more slowly and you can customise it much more easily than your smart TV (e.g. you are out of options if your TV doesn't support some new streaming service). I have a random, no-name Android TV box and it's one of the best value for money devices I've gotten in years - covers every single streaming service, has IPTV, web browser, and any other conceivable option you'd want in a TV box. You can add a VPN trivially, use it as a music client for LMS....and so on. Plus it doesn't have unblockable ads covering half the screen like recent Samsung TVs.

ryukafalz 6y ago

> [TV manufacturer] should just sell me a smart tv without customer hostile "features". Unfortunately there are basically zero TV manufacturers who will do this.

bsanr2 6y ago
I think it would be extremely interesting if the thing that got tech nerds to get on board, politically, with the notion that a single company doesn't have to have a monopoly for consumers to be hurt by "market standards" was, uh, smart TVs with too many ads.
katbyte 6y ago
High end Sony sets seem to be pretty customer friendly
dkdk8283 6y ago
Commercial displays have no ads, but also typically ship with minimal software and fewer inputs.

strawberrypuree 6y ago

Apple TV doesn't include ads, and doesn't sell your viewing habits to third parties who create profiles of you. [0] Your TV manufacturer does. [0]https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/en-ww/ https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/en-ww/

tuatoru 6y ago
Yet. You forgot "yet". Apples shareholders will one day be keen to achieve the second trillion dollars on the company's valuation.
- strawberrypuree 6y ago
  I'm not as pessimistic as all that, but I agree that vigilance is necessary. The good thing about going with the external box solution is that as if the company doesn't align with your values on this issue, you can unplug it and install something else. If that something else exists, of course.

kspacewalk2 6y ago

>[TV manufacturer] should just sell me a smart tv without customer hostile "features". The price will be much higher then. Right now, you're sold the tv at a discount (at a loss, I'm pretty sure) because the manufacturer will make money off you down the road by stealing and selling your data to advertisers. It's kind of like with social media (though to a lesser degree) - don't make the mistake of thinking of yourself exclusively as a customer. You're a product, too. Their advertising partners are the true customers.

ascar 6y ago
I somehow doubt that argument. My 65" smart TV cost about $2000. My advertisement worth as a user is how much? Maybe about $30 per year like a Facebook user [1] (which I would think is to high for Samsungs model)? That's $150 to $300 over the lifespan of the device. I don't consider these extra 15% sooo much higher. It's within the range of regular retail discounts. [1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/234056/facebooks-average-advertising-revenue-per-user/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/234056/facebooks-average...