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The photo used for the account is also kind of mildly offensive in the same vein. (To non-gay readers: this is not actually how gay men pose for their grindr pi

by foldr 6y ago

The photo used for the account is also kind of mildly offensive in the same vein. (To non-gay readers: this is not actually how gay men pose for their grindr pics.) Update: I decided to make the same point in the comments on his post and he responded in about the douchiest low-key homophobic way imaginable: http://disq.us/p/2c9pnno http://disq.us/p/2c9pnno Tech has a long way to go on homophobia :(

rini17 6y ago
I am gay and don't find it offensive or homophobic* at all , just a bit cringey. To non-gay readers: yes actually some gays do pose with grimaces. * I'm even inclined to say you are kind of abusing these Big Words, but not care to start argument.
- foldr 6y ago
  I did say "mildly" offensive. There's lots of screenshots of the Grindr profile grid posted online. I'd be surprised if you could find one including a profile photo that looks much like this one. But really the point isn't that no gay man has ever posed for a photo like this. (I'm sure some straight men have too.) The point is that the photo is used to make a joke about how ridiculous Scott would look if he was gay. He couldn't just have a normal dating profile photo.
  - rini17 6y ago
    That is plainly untrue, some gays do use ridiculous facial expressions.
    - foldr 6y ago
      So do some straight men. That's not the point. (I think you responded before my edit - sorry.) If the pose is a common one, it should be easy to find a screenshot. I couldn't, personally.
    - rini17 6y ago
      And I think you actually meant "not professional" instead of "homophobic".
  - lexicality 6y ago
    > The point is that the photo is used to make a joke about how ridiculous Scott would look if he was gay. You seem to have decided that Troy is homophobic and therefore this picture is mocking gay people, and not just mocking Scott's attempts at being sexy. > He couldn't just have a normal dating profile photo. They both delight in getting unflattering pictures of each other into every security presentation they can. I think you're reading into this too much. What would be the point of changing the photo if it didn't annoy Scott when he saw it?
    - foldr 6y ago
      There is clearly no technical reason for Scott's involvement in the first place, as Troy could just have created an account himself using any photo whatsoever. The whole post is structured as a joke about the idea of Scott being gay and having a Grindr account. Do I think Troy is a raging homophobe? No. But his initial response to my comment was to claim that he chose the photo because it looked like a typical Grindr profile photo (!), rather than to just admit that it was a joke. That doesn't increase my confidence that the photo was chosen with good intentions. You apparently think that there is another explanation for the choice of photo relating to some inside baseball between Troy and Scott (which I frankly don't care about, not knowing either of these guys). If that is the real reason then Troy could just have said so himself. In general, making in-jokes in public blog posts that anyone can read doesn't always go over so well. I'm not saying "Troy is a class A homophobe and must be deleted from the internet". I'm just registering that I'm one gay dude who is bored of this kind of gay joke.
      - lexicality 6y ago
        > There is clearly no technical reason for Scott's involvement in the first place, as Troy could just have created an account himself using any photo whatsoever. "I was able to log into my own account after resetting the password" isn't a particularly good attention grabber > The whole post is structured as a joke about the idea of Scott being gay and having a Grindr account. Scott is married, I'm pretty sure the joke is about him being on a dating app in the first place. > [...] I guess at this point, Troy assumes he's famous enough that everyone who sees his blog will know about him and Scott as well as all the shenanigans they get up to with each other. Tech and infosec definitely have a lot of problems with inclusivity towards anyone that's not a straight white male, but I really don't think that this blog post was written from the perspective of "ha ha ha ha imagine being gay". Still, he usually takes criticism, let's see if he does a followup.
_tk_ 6y ago
I feel the same way about this issue (the chat and the photo) and the response by Troy just feels... abysmal. He starts out by saying: "The photo, however, is the one most consistent with others I saw on Grindr during this exercise." and then continues to agree with the following statement: "... you didn't choose this pose by looking at typical Grindr profile photos."

by foldr 6y ago

rini17 6y ago

I am gay and don't find it offensive or homophobic* at all , just a bit cringey. To non-gay readers: yes actually some gays do pose with grimaces. * I'm even inclined to say you are kind of abusing these Big Words, but not care to start argument.

foldr 6y ago
I did say "mildly" offensive. There's lots of screenshots of the Grindr profile grid posted online. I'd be surprised if you could find one including a profile photo that looks much like this one. But really the point isn't that no gay man has ever posed for a photo like this. (I'm sure some straight men have too.) The point is that the photo is used to make a joke about how ridiculous Scott would look if he was gay. He couldn't just have a normal dating profile photo.
- rini17 6y ago
  That is plainly untrue, some gays do use ridiculous facial expressions.
  - foldr 6y ago
    So do some straight men. That's not the point. (I think you responded before my edit - sorry.) If the pose is a common one, it should be easy to find a screenshot. I couldn't, personally.
  - rini17 6y ago
    And I think you actually meant "not professional" instead of "homophobic".
- lexicality 6y ago
  > The point is that the photo is used to make a joke about how ridiculous Scott would look if he was gay. You seem to have decided that Troy is homophobic and therefore this picture is mocking gay people, and not just mocking Scott's attempts at being sexy. > He couldn't just have a normal dating profile photo. They both delight in getting unflattering pictures of each other into every security presentation they can. I think you're reading into this too much. What would be the point of changing the photo if it didn't annoy Scott when he saw it?
  - foldr 6y ago
    There is clearly no technical reason for Scott's involvement in the first place, as Troy could just have created an account himself using any photo whatsoever. The whole post is structured as a joke about the idea of Scott being gay and having a Grindr account. Do I think Troy is a raging homophobe? No. But his initial response to my comment was to claim that he chose the photo because it looked like a typical Grindr profile photo (!), rather than to just admit that it was a joke. That doesn't increase my confidence that the photo was chosen with good intentions. You apparently think that there is another explanation for the choice of photo relating to some inside baseball between Troy and Scott (which I frankly don't care about, not knowing either of these guys). If that is the real reason then Troy could just have said so himself. In general, making in-jokes in public blog posts that anyone can read doesn't always go over so well. I'm not saying "Troy is a class A homophobe and must be deleted from the internet". I'm just registering that I'm one gay dude who is bored of this kind of gay joke.
    - lexicality 6y ago
      > There is clearly no technical reason for Scott's involvement in the first place, as Troy could just have created an account himself using any photo whatsoever. "I was able to log into my own account after resetting the password" isn't a particularly good attention grabber > The whole post is structured as a joke about the idea of Scott being gay and having a Grindr account. Scott is married, I'm pretty sure the joke is about him being on a dating app in the first place. > [...] I guess at this point, Troy assumes he's famous enough that everyone who sees his blog will know about him and Scott as well as all the shenanigans they get up to with each other. Tech and infosec definitely have a lot of problems with inclusivity towards anyone that's not a straight white male, but I really don't think that this blog post was written from the perspective of "ha ha ha ha imagine being gay". Still, he usually takes criticism, let's see if he does a followup.

_tk_ 6y ago

I feel the same way about this issue (the chat and the photo) and the response by Troy just feels... abysmal. He starts out by saying: "The photo, however, is the one most consistent with others I saw on Grindr during this exercise." and then continues to agree with the following statement: "... you didn't choose this pose by looking at typical Grindr profile photos."