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This answer is fantastic, thank you. I'd like to ask about this part: "Nobody is forcing them to keep the TV, or even buy it in the first place. People would

This answer is fantastic, thank you. I'd like to ask about this part: "Nobody is forcing them to keep the TV, or even buy it in the first place. People would be up in arms quickly about awful TVs like that and nobody would buy them. Those laws are assault and/or battery laws." A loud noise isn't assault and battery. You mention the possibility of "closing youtube". What if the television were "impossible" to close, had a battery long enough to punish you for a month even if you unplug it, and just would not stop playing an inconvenience noise until you did what it asked? You mention nobody would buy it. Well, that is one possibility. However, I think people would buy it. What law would a consumer device violate that the user couldn't practically open or disable, and which was partially subsidized by advertisements, and played an advertisement until the user bought the product advertised (a bottle of coke for example)? What if it did so even when the user wasn't interacting with it? You claim that nobody would buy such an ultra hd TV but I think some people would. What consumer protection laws would they violate? If right now my TV turned on and played an advertisement, after receicing an over the air update from my wifi, how could I demand that the company turm this off if it was programmed not to and breaking its firmware is beyond my capability? Could I or a class of people sue the company under consumer protection laws? Would, indeed, they violate any consumer protection laws? Indeed: if right now Samsung rolled out an update that turned on all their TV's, even if currently off, and played an advertisement, would they violate any law by doing so? It is irrelevant whether they would want to do that (you say they would lose market share). My question is what law they would violate?

kleer001 6y ago
You're welcome. Sadly, this is likely my last reply to your post. You've dug down to the limits of my knowledge. Hopefully this will send you on your way to illumination. > My question is what law they would violate? There isn't one. 'Abusive Advertising' (in quotes because it's not literal abuse, only annoying) is still completely legal and will be for the conceivable future as it's not actually assault or battery as those are covered under law and would be very poor advertising techniques. > You mention the possibility of "closing youtube". What if the television were "impossible" to close, had a battery long enough to punish you for a month even if you unplug it, and just would not stop playing an inconvenience noise until you did what it asked? Then people would throw them out, destroyed. The cost of creating an indistructable tv for advertizing doesn't make economic sense. Manufacturers and Advertisers want to make as much money as possible so they make things cheaply. Cheaply made things are easy to destroy. Imagining technology that doesn't exist is future telling and science fiction. And that's the realm of literature. If you're looking to write this into a story of yours you'll want to check out : https://worldbuilding.stackexchange.com/ https://worldbuilding.stackexchange.com/ > What law would a consumer device violate that the user couldn't practically open or disable... until the user bought... I'm pretty sure no such law exists, nor is there any process to enforce such behaviour nor test if it had occurred. It would require such a totalitarian state that there'd be no money for such a thing. Totalitarian states tend to be rather poor as they have chased away (or killed) their smart and/or productive people and left the powerful economic engine of freedom to cool and decay. Dude. You seem very motivated, but also naive about the subjects you're questioning namely: human behaviour, marketing, advertisement, and consumer protection law. Which is fine, we can't learn unless we question what we know and don't know. To satisfy your curiosity (if you're looking for practical knowledge, not just writing fiction) you'll want to do some work yourself ... (the time lines are just guesses depending on the density of research necessary to understand the subject) 1) Talk to a one or many consumer protection lawyer/s about these questions of yours. Finding one that will humour you might be an adventure. (2+ hours?) 2) Do some research into the history of advertising. Maybe start with biographies of couple famous advertisers or marketing gurus. (16+ hours of research) 3) Do some research into the history of consumer affairs laws. (4+ hours of research) And last, but not least... 4) Do some research into human behaviour (at least 100+ hours of work). A couple fantastic authors are: Robert Sapolsky, Jordan Peterson, Dan Ariely. They all have several books about the subject and LOTS of youtube lectures. I wish you the best of luck on your pursuit of knowledge!

kleer001 6y ago

You're welcome. Sadly, this is likely my last reply to your post. You've dug down to the limits of my knowledge. Hopefully this will send you on your way to illumination. > My question is what law they would violate? There isn't one. 'Abusive Advertising' (in quotes because it's not literal abuse, only annoying) is still completely legal and will be for the conceivable future as it's not actually assault or battery as those are covered under law and would be very poor advertising techniques. > You mention the possibility of "closing youtube". What if the television were "impossible" to close, had a battery long enough to punish you for a month even if you unplug it, and just would not stop playing an inconvenience noise until you did what it asked? Then people would throw them out, destroyed. The cost of creating an indistructable tv for advertizing doesn't make economic sense. Manufacturers and Advertisers want to make as much money as possible so they make things cheaply. Cheaply made things are easy to destroy. Imagining technology that doesn't exist is future telling and science fiction. And that's the realm of literature. If you're looking to write this into a story of yours you'll want to check out : https://worldbuilding.stackexchange.com/ https://worldbuilding.stackexchange.com/ > What law would a consumer device violate that the user couldn't practically open or disable... until the user bought... I'm pretty sure no such law exists, nor is there any process to enforce such behaviour nor test if it had occurred. It would require such a totalitarian state that there'd be no money for such a thing. Totalitarian states tend to be rather poor as they have chased away (or killed) their smart and/or productive people and left the powerful economic engine of freedom to cool and decay. Dude. You seem very motivated, but also naive about the subjects you're questioning namely: human behaviour, marketing, advertisement, and consumer protection law. Which is fine, we can't learn unless we question what we know and don't know. To satisfy your curiosity (if you're looking for practical knowledge, not just writing fiction) you'll want to do some work yourself ... (the time lines are just guesses depending on the density of research necessary to understand the subject) 1) Talk to a one or many consumer protection lawyer/s about these questions of yours. Finding one that will humour you might be an adventure. (2+ hours?) 2) Do some research into the history of advertising. Maybe start with biographies of couple famous advertisers or marketing gurus. (16+ hours of research) 3) Do some research into the history of consumer affairs laws. (4+ hours of research) And last, but not least... 4) Do some research into human behaviour (at least 100+ hours of work). A couple fantastic authors are: Robert Sapolsky, Jordan Peterson, Dan Ariely. They all have several books about the subject and LOTS of youtube lectures. I wish you the best of luck on your pursuit of knowledge!